Host RevSusanne says:
Thank you for joining us today.  This chatroom is provided by onlinechurches for United Church of Religious Science and is dedicated to discussion, teaching and the spiritual practices of Science of Mind.

noel says:
Hi L & S.

Linda says:
I just told her to come back.

Host RevSusanne says:
Linda jsut told Nan to come back noel

noel says:
I figured out that it was already was hapenning when Linda left.

Host RevSusanne says:
That was a rip roaring chat!

noel says:
Yes it was . . .

Nan (nanb@bath-pm-28.LinkNY.com) has joined the conversation.

Host RevSusanne says:
Thank you for joining us today.  This chatroom is provided by onlinechurches for United Church of Religious Science and is dedicated to discussion, teaching and the spiritual practices of Science of Mind.

noel says:
Here we are!!!!

Nan says:
Hi again!

noel says:
Re-hi, Nan.

Linda says:
There you are Nan.

Host RevSusanne says:
Somebody appears to be in the newbies room!

Host RevSusanne says:
look at your rooms list!

Nan says:
Thanks, Linda!

Linda says:
Says Nan is in the Newbies room.

Nan says:
How'd I get there?

Host RevSusanne says:
Good.  so long as it is not Sherry all by her self in there!

Linda says:
You always go there when you join the channel.

noel says:
I don't see a newbies room.

Host RevSusanne says:
Are you using MS Chat?

noel says:
Yes

noel says:
t just lists two rooms.

Linda says:
I'm using Pirch.

Host RevSusanne says:
Did you update the window (refresh)

Nan says:
Me, too.

Linda says:
Nan, did you do much reading today?

noel says:
Ah, got it!

Host RevSusanne says:
Linda I am so pleased you are using your real name.  Says alot about how far we've come in our relationships.

noel says:
Guess I'll be graduating to Pirch.

Host RevSusanne says:
Not me.  mIRC

Linda says:
Last night was a breakthrough for me.  I just felt I could use my real name.

Nan says:
Almost done w/ ch. 10.  Spent alot of time sleeping this afternoon so I missed Susanne's time much to my dismay.

Host RevSusanne says:
Noel was so excited he e-mailed me to let me know of your breakthrough.  Made my day!

noel says:
Made my week!

Nan says:
I was very pleased, also

Host RevSusanne says:
Nan I can send you the log.

Linda blushes <s>

noel says:
That's what we're here for.

Nan says:
I would appreciate that.very much!

noel says:
So people can give themselves back to themselves.

Host RevSusanne says:
We had first time visitors and we did a treatment for one of them.

noel says:
I missed that part - had to leave early.

Nan says:
Wonderful!

Host RevSusanne says:
I see us growing by leaps and bounds!

Nan says:
And that is good!

noel says:
Leaps with no bounds.

Linda says:
I started reading that in the SOM last night.  Really needing to let go of lots of "old stuff".

Host RevSusanne says:
I was thinking of bounds differently.  Not metes and bounds but bounding along!

Linda says:
I was asked to pray tonight at our practice and I couldn't do it as I used to.

noel whispers to RevSusanne:
No boundary issues here

noel says:
How did you do it instead?

noel says:
And was the difference noted?

noel says:
By others?

Linda says:
Found myself praying more affirmatively....never got over into the negatives.  It got pretty quiet.

noel says:
I'll bet it did.

noel says:
If anyone asks you about it, call it "affirmative prayer."  It is unecessary for people to know about "treatrment."

Host RevSusanne says:
That's wonderful Linda.  I know that makes a difference for others.

Linda says:
Not sure I got it just right, but it was different for me.  The lady receiving the treatment looked at me and smiled differently from usual.  It felt good.

noel says:
IT got YOU justr right!

Host RevSusanne says:
I am doing a wedding soon for a couple that has family that is Baptist on the one side and the others are lapsed metaphysicians.  The prayers will be interesting to do.

noel says:
May the ground of our being bless us all real good!!!

Host RevSusanne says:
LOL noel.  That is wonderful!

noel says:
It is the actual prayer

noel says:
of a minister who diud the benediction

noel says:
following Paul Tillch and Billy Graham.

Host RevSusanne says:
Paul Tillich was so erudite in his writing, he musta loved it!

noel says:
I'll betcha!

Host RevSusanne says:
Here is a wonderful story:

Host RevSusanne says:
Jim Bakker was assigned toilet cleaning duty while in prison.  for 5 years!

Host RevSusanne says:
During his 3rd year there Billy Graham came to see him

Host RevSusanne says:
He was wearing his toilet cleaning clothes when they told him he had a visitor.

Host RevSusanne says:
No one cared and he had to go to the visitors room wearing this cleaning attire.

Host RevSusanne says:
He was very embarassed

noel says:
He was flushed with pride, no doubt.

Host RevSusanne says:
As he walked into the room and saw it was Billy Graham he wanted to hide

Host RevSusanne says:
Billy Graham walked up to him and embraced him completely.

Host RevSusanne says:
He said "God loves you Jim!"

Host RevSusanne says:
And when Jim Bakker was released from prison Billy Graham picked him up.

Host RevSusanne says:
He said tha he wanted him to come to church with his family.

Host RevSusanne says:
Jim Bakker said he wanted to hide

Host RevSusanne says:
But Billy Graham said he wanted the world to know that God still lvoes Jim Bakker.

noel says:
WOW!!!

Host RevSusanne says:
And so in demonstrating forgiveness Billy Graham brought Jim Bakker to church and sat him down front with his family

Host RevSusanne says:
And he gavbe Jim Bakker back to God it seems to me.

Linda says:
A life touched forever, no doubt.

Host RevSusanne says:
I will always be in awe of Billy Graham.

noel says:
It brings tears here

noel says:
Soul tears.

Linda says:
Remarkable.

Nan says:
And here as well, Noel

noel says:
There's a Robert Schuler story

Host RevSusanne says:
Having done some awful things in my life, I know that the forgiveness we seek makes all the difference in our lives.  So long as we will forgive ourselves.

noel says:
that deals rather effectively with the dark side.

Nan says:
Yes, I can relate to that statement.

Host RevSusanne says:
Yes it does.

Linda says:
I can relate too.

Host RevSusanne says:
Forgiveness sometimes takes a long, long time and many repetitions before it is effective.  But being committed to making it real gives us back our lives.

Nan says:
Yes, and IT has.

Host RevSusanne says:
We can give up recriminations, feeling sorry for our selves and move forward and remember to recreate forgiveness should we slip backwards.

Linda says:
I am getting back my life daily.

Host RevSusanne says:
How do you do that Linda?

Host RevSusanne says:
Don't feel that you must answer.

Linda says:
It seems everyday I find areas of my life where there are things I need to let go of....areas where Ineed to forgive myself....not all there yet.....just progressing....

Linda says:
All of this since I started coming here...since I met you, Noel and Ruth.

noel says:
Forgiveness is the release of all hope for a better past.

Linda says:
At first I was fearful that I would be "condemned" if I let go of thoughts I have carried around all my life.

Host RevSusanne says:
If you picture it like a big slice of Baklava with many many layers and sweetness, then when a new opportunity to know yourself and others each time you peel back a sheet.

Host RevSusanne says:
Perfect definition noel

Host RevSusanne says:
But when you choose the Baklava the past is only bitter anyway

Host RevSusanne says:
I find it interesting that I cannot edit out my gramatical errors in chat.  I have to release my mistakes in order to communicate what matters.  this is a big one for me because I am naturally precise

Linda says:
The way I feel about myself and about God seems to be changing.

Host RevSusanne says:
Can you describe that change?

noel says:
I have the same foible, Susanne.

Nan says:
I can say the same thing as Linda did.

Host RevSusanne says:
So how do you feel about God now?

Linda says:
It's more easily felt than "telt" as we sometimes say <G>.  God doesn't seem to be external to me.  I feel more a oneness.

noel says:
And can you indentify where the change is taking place?

Host RevSusanne says:
Since I became a RS I have felt the personal relationship that was always descrived and which I never achieved with any continuity

Host RevSusanne says:
I feel my own goodness--do you?

Linda says:
I think that's it.  

Host RevSusanne says:
goodness=Godness

Linda says:
Yes, I do.

Nan says:
Yes, that is it exactly.

Host RevSusanne says:
Bravo!

noel says:
There's a paradox I have experienced.  The more non-personal my God becomes, the more personal my relationship with God becomes.

Host RevSusanne says:
So the more it includes the less it excludes

noel says:
Yes . . .

noel says:
or as Emerson said . . .

noel says:
Thos who are excluasive, exlcude themselves.

Host RevSusanne says:
Indeed!

Linda says:
Yes!

Host RevSusanne says:
I am having such an exciting life since I began looking on the web for a place to minister.

noel says:
The endeavor of SOM is to be all inclusive of Truth

noel says:
without being exlcusive to any saying of it

noel says:
including Ernest Holmes' saying of it.

Linda says:
I have a question about the book SOM.

noel and Suzanne love questions

Host RevSusanne says:
There I was in the midst of a congregation that was in love with my teacher in a community that I didn't want to leave.  Now I can let Linda ask me the question and things give me reason to be!  Ask!

Linda says:
How does one read it?  Do you start at the beginning or just read whatever is of interest at the moment?

Linda says:
That's just one question <s>.

noel says:
Ernest Holmes once answered that question by saying, "Read in between the lines."

Linda says:
I find myself wanting to read everything at the same time....there's so much there.

Host RevSusanne says:
Linda I think it is best to go from the beginning, but look up questions you have where you need to.

Host RevSusanne says:
And of course read between the lines

noel says:
In my experience, the best place to begin with the textbook was somewhere else.

Host RevSusanne says:
You mean like in Sausalito rather than say Tiburon?

noel says:
This Thing Called You, The Philosophy of Jesus, etc.

Linda says:
Guess that's what I have been doing basically.  

Linda says:
I'm reading This Thing Called You.

Host RevSusanne says:
Linda I studied by reading everything else besides SOM

Nan says:
Lately, I have been having a problem at church... feeling like I shouldn't be there because I can not accept the limitations that are put on God and man.

noel says:
The Basic Ideas of Science of Mind and How to Use the Science of Mind were also helpful.

Host RevSusanne says:
This thing called you is great

noel says:
When I go to a conventional church, I translate.

Linda says:
I want so much to have the teachings of Jesus come alive to me....make sense to me in the way he taught them rather than the way men have interpreted them.

Nan says:
Had to put that in there before I could add that I am reading in TTCY and it is opening my eyes and heart

Host RevSusanne says:
This Thing Called Life is good too.  But I especially love the three book series "The Holmes Papers"

noel says:
They are his last writings.

Host RevSusanne says:
Yes and they reflect the clarity of a life devoted to SOM

noel says:
They were much more oriented to the Presence than his earlier work that tended to be more Power oriented.

Nan says:
In SOM I've started w/ Part 4 leading into the area I am interested in ap tpresent and that is Christ and the teachings of Jesus.

noel says:
I always related to God more as a Beneficial Presence than as an All Powerful Being.

Linda will be right back.

Host RevSusanne says:
I will be ordering the The Philosophy of Jesus, should anyone want me to get a copy for them.

noel says:
I heard that it was out of print, Susanne.

noel says:
SO if you can get one, please do.

Nan says:
Yes, I would like a copy.  Just let me know the price.

Host RevSusanne says:
I thought it was paperback now

noel says:
I want to create a course around it for folks like Linda and Nan.

noel says:
It has been paperback for a long time, in various editions.

Host RevSusanne says:
If not then we can get it scanned and into the web as soon as we find a book

noel says:
It will require permission from SOM publications . . .

noel says:
and so it is up to us

noel says:
to persuade them that they will sell lots of copies

Host RevSusanne says:
Would you two be interested in doing a class?

noel says:
if they put it on the web.

Nan says:
I am seeing Jesus from an entirely new perspective.  One that has much more meaning.

Nan says:
Most definitely!

noel says:
So Susanne and I will no doubt co-host the class . . .

Host RevSusanne says:
Emerson is backing me up on these projects now, so if we could get SOM Publications to come along we could do it.  Otherwise we could e-mail text to students and not publish it.

noel says:
Whatever it takes!!!!

noel says:
AND I expect the best of all possible outcomes.

Host RevSusanne says:
But of course noel, we do a pretty good Sonny and Cher

noel says:
I'm asking that they allow POJ to be a test case.

Host RevSusanne says:
With me being the Sonny

noel says:
Chers

noel says:
Does that mean you'll do a pro bono?

Nan says:
brb

Host RevSusanne says:
LOL noel

Host RevSusanne says:
We always seem to have some pro bono no matter what we do!

noel says:
Yes . . . and I'm doing my best to modify that . . .

Host RevSusanne says:
pro bono means for good

Host RevSusanne says:
That is for God

noel says:
..and for free.

Nan says:
back

Host RevSusanne says:
that is the implication but not the meaning

noel says:
which is the part I'mendeavor9ing to modify

noel says:
For many, it is the meaning . . . unfortunately.

Host RevSusanne says:
Nan, Linda how would you feel about there being a fee?  Would it make the difference between your doing the class or not?

noel whispers to RevSusanne:
I'll have to share the full details on wqhere this is coming from

Host RevSusanne says:
It would be small, just something to cover costs

noel whispers to RevSusanne:
with you, soon

Nan says:
No it wouldn't.  There will be a way made for me to obtain the fee.

Host RevSusanne says:
That's nice to know.  And very encouraging.

noel says:
There's a precedent for fees.  The Foundation class will cost $65.

noel says:
Online version, to begin in May.

Nan says:
I have that already, Noel.

noel says:
Good for you.  Where did you take it?

Linda is back

Nan says:
To the bank, where else?  Until I know where to send it.

Host RevSusanne says:
Emerson is charging $75 per unit  for the accredited Home Study Course.  That is for 6 weeks, 2 hours each week online in focused Metaphysical Study Hall.

noel says:
Ooops! I misf=referenced the "it."

noel says:
I thought you meant you had the class.

Linda says:
Oh, I've missed lots.

Nan says:
and I thought you meant the money <s>

noel says:
"It's" can be tricky.

Nan says:
I don't think I can handle more than one class at a time, though.

noel says:
That makes sense.

Host RevSusanne says:
Apparently we need to talk about what that means between these two different approaches noel.

noel says:
The Foundation class is being swamped, with a very limited enrollment the first time around.

Host RevSusanne says:
The Home Study Course is what  gets through the first 2 years of study.

Host RevSusanne says:
What is the Foundation Class?  Is it like SOM !?

Host RevSusanne says:
SOM1?

noel says:
Yes, Susanne, it replaced SOM1

Nan says:
Where is the best place to start? Besides the one you are going to do, Susannne?

Linda says:
My friend, Gail, is taking the Foundation Class.

Linda says:
Was there a mention of fees?  I tried scrolling back?

Host RevSusanne says:
How is it different noel?

noel says:
Only a mention, not a specification.

Linda says:
Well, I can understand a fee most definitely.  And, would do my best to take the class.

noel says:
Foundation class has a lot of exercises to apply the teaching . . . which is what I gather you will be adding to the Home STudy COurse.

Nan says:
Are they both accredited?

noel says:
Yes.

Host RevSusanne says:
I will be beginning with the Home Study Course next week in terms of getting the materials scanned and designing exercises and online questions that bring it present.

Nan says:
So then, there are two courses teaching basically the same things?

noel says:
The Home Study course can begin in June.

noel says:
Yes and no.

Host RevSusanne says:
The class I am teaching based on the Home Study Course is accredited by Emerson Theological Institute which is a degree granting Religious Science school

noel says:
And that is important.

Nan says:
Is that RS?

noel says:
UCRS only gives credit toward Practitioner studies.

Host RevSusanne says:
Yes it is Nan. It will count towards degrees and minsterial and practitioner licenses.

Nan says:
sorry

noel whispers to RevSusanne:
I'm so glad my PTB aren't here . . .

Nan says:
Then the Home Study Course is the one I want to take.

Host RevSusanne says:
We have bachelor, masters, practitioner, ministerial and doctoral level studies which my class counts for.

Host RevSusanne whispers to noel:
What is PTB, so I can be glad with you!

noel says:
It will be offered by both UCRS and ANTN, but toward different outcomes.

Linda says:
Home Study sounds good.

noel whispers to RevSusanne:
Powers That Be (at Home Office)

Host RevSusanne says:
I believe that right now I am the best teacher because I have specialized training for it.

noel says:
I share her belief.

Nan says:
Susanne, someone asked me today if ANTN and New Age were related.  Are they?

Linda says:
And I would be honored to study under you.

Host RevSusanne says:
No

Host RevSusanne says:
The name means Affiliated New Thought Network and it is all New Thought

Nan says:
Thank you,  I didn't think so.   I also would be honored to study under you.

Host RevSusanne says:
Thank you Nan.

Host RevSusanne says:
New Age is not for me.  Ancient Wisdom is more my cup of tea.

noel whispers to RevSusanne:
I will call you as soon as this is over, to fill you in on the essential strategy we will have to employ re UCRS.

Host RevSusanne says:
Ancient Wisdom taught in a modern way gets me up in the morning excited about life!

Host RevSusanne says:
Thanks.  Sounds like stuff I need to know.

Nan says:
Just what little I now know is doing the same thing for me.

Host RevSusanne says:
I am so glad Nan.

noel says:
It's what's`knowing you, Nan, that is making the difference.

Nan says:
I'm finding I have a new attitude and outlook upon life.

Linda says:
Here, here, Nan.

Host RevSusanne says:
There is a way that we can be open at the top, as Ernest Holmes so aptly said, that gives us reason to be day in and day out.

Host RevSusanne says:
We are not determined by our circumstances and we can be open to lifes riches in ways considered unimaginable heretofore.

noel whispers to RevSusanne:
In fact, I've got to turn to other things soon.  Would you like to call me when you're done?

Nan says:
That is what I've needed.... a reason to be.

Host RevSusanne whispers to noel:
What numbe noel?

noel whispers to RevSusanne:
My number is 650/637-0759

Host RevSusanne whispers to noel:
k

Linda says:
We both needed that, Nan.

Nan says:
It is all so very exciting that I can't wait for the next day to find out what will transpire.

Host RevSusanne says:
So it appears that we have gone over on time and I really need to go.  Linda if you would give me your e-mail I will keep you up to date on progress for the class.

noel says:
If you folks don't mind, I would like to leave the log running here even though I have to leave now.

noel says:
Ah, synchronicity.

Host RevSusanne says:
We should all be back here again next week.

Linda says:
Sure.  I'll give it to you here now........lmoore@apex.net

noel says:
Also after midnight in the East.

noel says:
Yes, let's make this gathering regular.

Host RevSusanne says:
Thanks Linda, for your leap of faith this week!

Nan says:
Thanks ok with me!!!!

noel says:
And feel free, Nan and Linda, to invite others.

Host RevSusanne says:
Today's Topic is from  Deepak Chopra.  "The possibility of stepping into a higher plane is quite real for everyone.  It requires no force or effort or sacrifice.  It involves little more than changing our ideas about what is normal."  How can we demonstrates this principle in the present?

Linda says:
I need to retire too.  Work for just 3 hours in the morning butneed to get to bed.

Host RevSusanne says:
That was my topic today.  I thought I'd leave it for you!

Host RevSusanne says:
See you all soon!

noel says:
Stay in the grace, y'all.

noel says:
And sleep with the angels.

Linda says:
Thank you Susanne for adding so much to my life...you too Noel.

Linda says:
Goodnight.

Host RevSusanne says:
We do sleep AS angels!

Nan says:
Thank you both so much.

Linda has left the conversation.

Host RevSusanne says:
You are welcome Nan.  Bye bye!

noel says:
Thank you both so much, too.

Nan says:
bye, now.

Nan has left the conversation.

Host RevSusanne says:
Hey ya wanna tell me now?

noel says:
It takes a phone call, believe me.

Host RevSusanne says:
K.  One minute.

Host RevSusanne has left the conversation.