Host RevSusanne whispers to RvNoel:
Welcome!  Thank you for joining us.  This chatroom is provided by onlinechurches.com in cooperation with  www.religiousscience.org.  Thanks for being here.  You may join in or sit back and enjoy the chat as you please.

RvNoel says:
Hi there!

Nan says:
Susanne, did you get my e-mail?

Host RevSusanne says:
Hey Noel

Sherry says:
Hi Noel!!

Nan says:
Hi Noel

Host RevSusanne says:
Noel and I had a blast at INTA.

RvNoel says:
Just made it!  Too many meetings today.

Sherry says:
Wow!  Canyou share some of the highlights?

RvNoel says:
Yes we did.

Host RevSusanne says:
He was a terrific speaker

Sherry says:
So, the Big Guy did good...that's great Noel.

Host RevSusanne says:
He got people really excited about the internet

RvNoel says:
He got himself more excited as well.

Nan says:
Would like to hear about it!

Host RevSusanne says:
I have a tape of the first half, but I was unable to get the second tape.

Sherry says:
And I bet you contributed a great deal yourself, Susanne!

Host RevSusanne says:
Well I made people fill out Noel's form

RvNoel says:
Yes, she did.  I got a lot more that way than I would have otherwise.

Host RevSusanne says:
We met a guy there who is very willing to provide free space to New Thought studies

Sherry says:
How did Angelo's speech go?

Host RevSusanne says:
he is quite rich and into computers and New Thought

Host RevSusanne says:
Angelo set the place on fire

RvNoel says:
Angelo was on fire.

Host RevSusanne says:
We practically had to hose him down

Sherry says:
ALL RIGHT!

Host RevSusanne says:
He even had Dr. Johnnie Coleman jumping to her feet yellng AMEN

Sherry says:
Is that a feat

Host RevSusanne says:
She has seen a lot and doesn't get up unless there is a good reason

Host RevSusanne says:
She is in the latest SOM Magazine

Sherry says:
I love it, Nan, wouldn't it have been wonderful to have been there too?

Nan says:
Sure would have!

Host RevSusanne says:
Hey it was 118 degrees and my ankles swelled up like melons

RvNoel says:
Please send me the URL.  None of  my searches for JCI turned up anything.

Sherry says:
Oh, Susanne, how awful.

Nan says:
No A/C?

Host RevSusanne says:
Hey my shoes fit again.  It was just that 40 degree change in temperature from what I am accustomed to living in

Host RevSusanne says:
So I have some good news.

Nan says:
Tell us.

Sherry says:
Good, what???

RvNoel says:
dew tell

Host RevSusanne says:
When I came back my senior minister said that I am to speak once a month at our center and take over pastoral affairs.

RvNoel says:
I tend to stay out of affairs, myself.

Linda has joined the conversation.

Nan says:
That is good news!

Sherry says:
My goodness, what an honor, Susanne.

Sherry says:
LOL, Noel.

Nan says:
Hi Linda.

RvNoel says:
Hi Linda

Linda says:
Hello Everyone!

Host RevSusanne says:
I have not been speaking on Sundays, only teaching.

Sherry says:
Ih Linda!

Host RevSusanne says:
Hi Linda

RvNoel says:
The gang's all here.

Sherry says:
Now you are a REAL minister...speaking on Sundays!!!

Host RevSusanne says:
Yeah, I have been such a fraud up until now

Host RevSusanne says:
lol

Sherry says:
LOL

RvNoel says:
I'm glad to added the LOL

RvNoel says:
Otherwise I'd have thaught it was a fraudian slip.

Host RevSusanne says:
lol

Host RevSusanne says:
Well we all fake it until we make it in one way or another

Sherry says:
Act as if, until it is!

Host RevSusanne says:
Anyway, I am happy to be doing what I am doing.  I love my work!

Sherry says:
And it shows!

Sherry says:
Nan and I missed you last week, Linda.  We did the review, but it was not the same without you.

Nan says:
We sure did.

Linda says:
I didn't see the room listed and thought no one was here.  I'm sorry I missed you both.

Host RevSusanne says:
Well Noel and I were eating strawberries instead of being here with all of you.

Linda says:
The notify wasn't working properly either and I didn't see you names listed.

Host RevSusanne says:
We shared with people what a wonderful class this has been.

RvNoel says:
There are many who would like to be a part of the POJ discussion.

Host RevSusanne says:
I met many people who became interested in studying as part of a group like this.

Linda says:
I was hoping Marion Morrison could get online tonight.

Host RevSusanne says:
Who is that Linda?

Sherry says:
It is a wonderful way to learn.  Right from home, no muss, no fuss, and it is intellectually stimulating too.

Linda says:
She is the woman Noel told me about who lives here in Paducah.

Host RevSusanne says:
Oh!  I don't think I knew about her.

RvNoel says:
She signed the guestbook, saying she was Paducah, so I forwarded her address to Linda.

Linda says:
She posted a message on one of the web sites.

Host RevSusanne says:
Well are you all ready to discuss the lesson?

Sherry says:
yes

Nan has left the conversation.

Linda says:
ready

RvNoel says:
Ready

NanB has joined the conversation.

RvNoel says:
Bumped, Nan?

NanB says:
First time I've been bumped!

Host RevSusanne says:
OK, Noel used the word debugging.  Anyone see where they could debug?

Sherry says:
It is like weeding the garden, it is never ending.

Host RevSusanne says:
Well then we won't get bored will we?

Linda says:
Boy, did I ever!

RvNoel says:
Weeding is an excellent metaphor.  Planting seeds and pulling weeds.

Sherry says:
I have a question...

Host RevSusanne says:
I saw where my ego wants to think I did something that resulted in certain acts committed by others.  Turns out I have little or nothing to do with why some things happen.  I can turn away from that idea very easily.

Host RevSusanne says:
Go ahead Sherry

Sherry says:
Is it just me, or do we all sometimes hit a period of being weary of pulling the weeds?  If it is just me, what do you recommend.  I am just a little tired of always pulling.  Thx for letting me ask this.

Linda says:
I don't think it's just you, Sherry.  Seems this lesson came right when I am in the middle of pulling weeds.

NanB has left the conversation.

Host RevSusanne says:
Jesus said "I of myself do nothing."  Sometimes that is all there is to do.  We cannot constantly interact with our life as if there is something to fix.  Sometimes what we have to do, switching metaphors here,...

Host RevSusanne says:
is to let the dough rest for a while.  When we make bread if we keep kneading the dough it cannot rise.

Host RevSusanne says:
Does that help Sherry?

Sherry says:
That is excellent, Susanne.  Maybe will all the studying, and all, I just need to not work on myself so much for a bit.

RvNoel says:
Notice: Nan ICQ'd me - can't log back on just now

Host RevSusanne says:
Back to the gardening metaphor, there is a time to enjoy the harvest too.  We sit back, sip some lemonade and take in the beauty of our gardening.

Host RevSusanne says:
Must be having server trouble

RvNoel says:
She says everything else works.

Host RevSusanne says:
Maybe she needs to switch to Mirc or MS Chat

Linda says:
Sometimes that is all there is to do.  We

Linda says:
We

Linda says:
cannot constantly interact with our life as if there is something to fix. 

Linda has been sending messages to you too rapidly, and is now being ignored.

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Linda says:
That seems to be where I am, though.....trying to fix what I know of myself I cannot.

RvNoel says:
Whenever I try to fix myself, I find myself in a fix.

Linda says:
I understand that fully.

Sherry says:
Me too, Noel.

Nan has joined the conversation.

Sherry says:
Hey, welcome back, Nan!!

RvNoel says:
When weeding is done from the consciousness of fixing, it gets tedious.

RvNoel says:
Nan rebooted, right?

Linda says:
Yes, it does Noel.

RvNoel says:
Or at least re-logged her ISP.

Nan says:
Yup, getting lots of experience using positive thoughts right now!

Host RevSusanne says:
Hey I am having trouble with seeing what Linda and Noel say.  I got an ignor on them which I am attempting to remove

Sherry says:
I, today, am somewhere between tedious weeding and simultaneously beating myself up with a 2x4 for having so many weeds.

Host RevSusanne says:
Take a break Sherry!

Linda says:
Oh Sherry!  I'm there too!  

RvNoel says:
Sherry, the next week to pull is the weed of beating up on yourself for thre weeds.

RvNoel says:
weed to pull

Sherry says:
Yes, I can see where I need to.  I am glad I mentioned it then, Linda.  I don't usually like to take up class time with personal stuff.

Linda says:
The problem is that, for me, when the weeds come in the form of $'s it's scary.

RvNoel says:
Say more about that, Linda.

Linda says:
This lesson was so "close to home" until I almost stayed away.

Linda says:
About what, Noel?

RvNoel says:
Those questions were a bit "in-your-face" . . .

Host RevSusanne says:
Well there is nothing that you cannot have.  All we need do is treat for what it is that we wish.  $$$ is included in this.  It is the father's good pleasure to give us the kingdom.

RvNoel says:
About weeds in form of $, Linda.

Linda says:
A debt...a BIG debt.  Not one that needs to be paid immediately but one that looks impossible.

Host RevSusanne says:
I thought your intro was wonderful Noel.  Holmes was very big on turning away from the negative

RvNoel says:
O.K.  You;re talkinbg about $ out.  I was thinking of $ in.

Linda says:
Definitely a big difference <S>.

Host RevSusanne says:
I acknowledge the money that comes in and bless that which I distribute

RvNoel says:
Turning from the condition, in Linda's case, would be turning from the FEELING and CONSCIOUSNESS of indebtedness, not from the situation itself.

Host RevSusanne says:
We were talking about this last night.  That is exactly what is called for!

RvNoel says:
I have an enormous debt right now- and no feeling of indebtedness.

RvNoel says:
I see my debt from a consciousness of supply.

RvNoel says:
I see it handled.

Host RevSusanne says:
I am unaware of any feelings of indebtedness.  Not even the little window envelopes can inspire that as they come in the mail.

RvNoel says:
The moment I feel indebtedness I go into bigtime weeding.

Linda says:
That's where I want to be, Noel.  And, as much as I read I need to hear people like you talk about how you handle things like this.

RvNoel says:
Holmes made it clear that we do not turn from situations, like debt, only from conditions, like debt consciousness.

Linda says:
I've spent the whole day doing "bigtime weeding."

Sherry says:
Ya know, with those of us who have no RS church or study group near, these classes are like a life line for us.

Nan says:
That is for sure!

RvNoel says:
It's good to know that, Sherry.

Linda says:
They certainly are, Sharry!

Linda says:
Sherry

Host RevSusanne says:
I see a limitless flow of the good of life, including money, and so whatever it is that I must pay I acknowledge the service and goods I receive and thank God that these things were available for my use and know that I will forever have available the resources needed for a fully expressed life.

RvNoel says:
The secret of low-effort weeding is to let go of the weeds, once pulled.

Host RevSusanne says:
Compost those puppies!

Linda says:
<S>

RvNoel says:
Precisely.

RvNoel says:
Otherwise we're carrying weeds with us.

RvNoel says:
Only now they are conscious weeds rather than unconsciousweeds.

Host RevSusanne says:
Maybe we could share Catherine Ponder with these folks!

Nan says:
As I have had some positive demonstrations, this is beocoming much easier for me to accomplish.

RvNoel says:
Such as the vacuum law?

Host RevSusanne says:
Yahoo Nan!

Linda says:
Rev. Ruth told me I should read Ponder.

Host RevSusanne says:
Right on Noel

Nan says:
What is the vacuum law?

Host RevSusanne says:
Linda you should get a copy of Dare to Prosper!

RvNoel says:
What we avoid creates a void - for good to enter.

Linda says:
Would I find that in a bookstore?

Host RevSusanne says:
Also, John Randolph Price's Abundance Book (costs $7)

Nan says:
Yes, I agree with that wholeheartedly.

RvNoel says:
Avoiding the negative creates a void for the positive.

Host RevSusanne says:
I can get them for you or you could call DeVorss in Marina del Rey, CA

RvNoel says:
Or (probably) Amazon.com

RvNoel says:
BTW, I may be doing DeVorss' website.

Sherry says:
Linda, the DeVorss number is 800-382-6121.  Amazon had to back order the Ponder book I wanted.

Host RevSusanne says:
I met Catherine Ponder at the INTA Conference.  She is awesome and a person of deep and abiding integrity.

Sherry says:
Wow!  How old is this wonderful lady?

Host RevSusanne says:
She was very encouraging to me as a new woman minister.

Host RevSusanne says:
She is about 70 something

Sherry says:
Awesome

Host RevSusanne says:
She has been a minister 42 years

Linda says:
I'll get the book.  Hearing twice in one day that I should get it tell me something <S>.

Host RevSusanne says:
Good for you Linda.  That still small voice is as loud as we need it to be!

Host RevSusanne says:
Anyone want to talk about the consequences of debugging?

RvNoel says:
That's my favorite of the three questions.

Sherry says:
Peace comes to mind!!!

Host RevSusanne says:
I know, I tend to think of consequences as something that I don't want.  But of course, consequences can be all good!

Sherry says:
Giving up old patterns, and life styles brings peace to me.

RvNoel says:
 Let me give some context for the question: Our good does not always come in a form that doesn;t fit out picture.

Linda says:
You and Noel have already shared some of the consequences.

RvNoel says:
For instance, there was once a handicapped student in the school of ministry who became convinced that SOM would get her out of her wheel chair.

RvNoel says:
She left school, because she feared what would happen when she no longer qualified for disability.

Host RevSusanne says:
Rev. Edwene Gaines said "Our good does not always taste like chocolate and smell like turkey and dressing!"

RvNoel says:
SOme consequences of our good are challenging.

RvNoel says:
Which is why, at least subconsciously, we sometimes avoid accepting it.

Host RevSusanne says:
Talk about getting stopped!

Nan says:
Yes, I can relate to that.  As a result of my weeding I will be standing alone among my family for awhile as far as religious beliefs go.

RvNoel says:
Excellent example, Nan.

Nan says:
I know I have made the right choice and all will be well.

Host RevSusanne says:
Well the best things come with courage Nan, and you have been demonstrating a great deal of that!

Linda says:
So will I, Nan.

Linda says:
Actually, I'm already beginning to see that happen.

RvNoel says:
You are alone ONLY with reference to them - and less alone than you have been with them.

Sherry says:
Well, I know you may stand alone, but you will stand tall!!

Nan says:
So I am remiaining in inaction until the demonstation appears.

RvNoel says:
To the person who perfectly practices inaction, all things are possible.  TTC & EH

Nan says:
How right you are, Noel!!!~!

RvNoel says:
TTC = Tao Te Ching

Host RevSusanne says:
Thank you for that Noel I was scratching my Taoist head!

Linda says:
My weeding will mean another means of employment.

RvNoel says:
As in calling for another means?

Host RevSusanne says:
That can also be expressed as not pushing the river.

Host RevSusanne says:
So LInda, is there something in your heart wishing to be expressed as work?

Linda says:
Yes, Susanne there is.

Host RevSusanne says:
Turning the other cheek as Noel said in his preface to the lesson?  Have you seen this new direction, is there some way we can support you in this?

Linda says:
I want the home business I started last summer to prosper.....clients and projects.

Host RevSusanne says:
What kind of business is it?

Linda says:
desktop publishing (I need to eventually add web pages to this) and word processing

Host RevSusanne says:
terrific!  The world is crawling with folks who need your help!

RvNoel says:
I can assist in your adding the web pages.

RvNoel says:
I have several dozen newbies starting an online course in website design this fall.

Linda says:
I've done several small jobs.  Just need more exposure so I'm working on a portfolio

Host RevSusanne says:
So are you seeing the folks coming in the door, ringing you on the phone, asking for your help?

Host RevSusanne says:
There are people already lining up to get from you exactly what you do so well.

Linda says:
Susanne, I just today realized (slow learner) that I need to be "seeing" those things not just saying them.

RvNoel says:
Are you IMAGINING and FEELING what that would be like?

RvNoel says:
Troward: When the end is secure in mind, the means is likewise secured.

RvNoel says:
It is FEELING the outcome that secures it in mind.

Host RevSusanne says:
I was just reading in Open at the Top, Holmes biography, a description of the treatment and process Holmes went through with a piano teacher who needed more work.

Host RevSusanne says:
This specificity was exactly what had been missing from her treatments.  She was generalizing and not allowing herself the experience of the result in her specification.

Host RevSusanne says:
You know what it feels like when you get the work you want.  Share that feelign with yourself and build on it.

Host RevSusanne says:
Be creative in yoiur thinking, let your mind wallow in just how wonderful it is!

Linda says:
Thank you.  That's what has been missing.