Host RevSusanne whispers to RvNoel:
Welcome!  Thank you for joining us.  This chatroom is provided by onlinechurches.com in cooperation with  www.religiousscience.org.  Thanks for being here.  You may join in or sit back and enjoy the chat as you please.

sherry says:
Wow!! That is very powerful!  Speaking of willingness, as in our lesson for tonight.

RvNoel says:
It's been a long, strange trip , , ,

Host RevSusanne says:
Hey Noel

RvNoel says:
Hi there!!

Linda says:
Hello Noel.

sherry says:
Yo, Noel, we missed you, big guy!!

Host RevSusanne says:
Noel I have a quote I want to give you

RvNoel says:
O.K.

Host RevSusanne says:
Elizabeth Montagu_r_n_r_n"I endeavor to be wise when I cannot be merry, easy when I cannot be glad, content with what cannot be mended and patient when there is no redress."

Host RevSusanne says:
That came in my e-mail at 6:00!

RvNoel says:
My goodness.  A reincarntion of St Francis . . .

Host RevSusanne says:
Apparently Nan is having difficulties with her server.

Host RevSusanne says:
Did you talk to her Linda?

RvNoel says:
It's been a long time since I've been called "big guy," Sherry.

Host RevSusanne says:
Well it's about time BIG GUY!

RvNoel says:
Actually I was called" biggus guygus", a la the Monte Python movie, Life of Brian.

Host RevSusanne says:
Since Linda has not responded, I wonder if she is trying to help Nan get in?

Host RevSusanne says:
lol

RvNoel says:
Have y'all seen the Life of Brian?

Host RevSusanne says:
Not I

Linda says:
Sorry...I had to leave momentarily.  Yes I talked with Nan.

RvNoel says:
It's worth a view - quite a commentary on how religions get started.

Linda says:
Apparently, her main server is down and she is trying to get in through Prodigy.  I told her how to do it and even tested it myself.  But, something else must have happened.

sherry says:
No, I have not seen it.  I too, had to leave, had someone at the door.

Host RevSusanne says:
Where you live that is surprising Sherry.

RvNoel says:
We could all watch Life of Brian for the 14th meeting of this chat.

Host RevSusanne says:
She will get here, she will get here, and it will be soon.

sherry says:
Hey, Hey, we are remote but not barren of visitors!!!  Actually, it was a neighborl

Host RevSusanne says:
lol sherry

Host RevSusanne says:
I just figured it was another Ralfie Racoon

Host RevSusanne says:
Noel did you know sherry is caring for a baby racoon?

sherry says:
Oh, no not another one.  My hands are full!!!

RvNoel says:
No

Host RevSusanne says:
When they ring the bell you better look out!

sherry says:
We put his cage outside today while we cut down five trees making way for the new house.

RvNoel says:
Like attracts like, you know, Sherry

sherry says:
Yes, Noel, he is rather adorable, how did you know?

Host RevSusanne says:
hahahahaha sherry

RvNoel says:
Inuitiive hit.

Host RevSusanne says:
Linda how are you?

Host RevSusanne says:
YOu sure send terrific e-mail

Linda says:
A bit exhausted....but, good Susanne.  I've had my grandson all day and have had no time to myself.  He just went to sleep about an hour ago.

Host RevSusanne says:
How old is he?

Linda says:
18 months

sherry says:
Thank goodness for sleeping babies!

Host RevSusanne says:
I'd have bet he is in the "chasing time"

RvNoel says:
The aimiable eighteens . . .

RvNoel says:
followed by you know what . . .

Linda says:
Yes, and exploratory time too <LOL>.  I didn't get a chance to study as I would have liked today.  His mom should be picking him up soon.

Host RevSusanne says:
Its like they make the sound of little whirring wheels endlessly going and going like little everready engines in coveralls

Linda says:
Is anyone logging this session for Nan?

Host RevSusanne says:
Let's begin, we will catch nan up when she arrives

Host RevSusanne says:
I always log Linda

Linda says:
Good.  I've not been too successful with logging.

RvNoel says:
I didn't get last week's log . . .

Host RevSusanne says:
It's how I keep attendance in classes

Host RevSusanne says:
Quick tip.

Host RevSusanne says:
Go to File

Host RevSusanne says:
Chooose Save

Host RevSusanne says:
Then the title of the room will automatically come up.  I append the date 7-9 to it to tell them apart.

Linda says:
It's not quite the same in Pirch, I'm afraid Susanne.

sherry says:
Susanne, my virus alarm just went off again, and indicates there is a virus in the Lesson Six answers.

Host RevSusanne says:
You may want to create a folder for chat logs, in which case you would need to locate it there

Host RevSusanne says:
I don't have any virus hon

Host RevSusanne says:
I have two kinds of anti virus and my computer was just checked in the shop

sherry says:
I don't know what to say.

RvNoel says:
Say: "Virus, be gone!"

Host RevSusanne says:
There may be something about your anti virus software that doesn't understand some part of what's in hte e-mail.  So it calls it a virus to be safe.

Host RevSusanne says:
SAY There is no virus!

sherry says:
Doggone appearances!!

Host RevSusanne says:
Sherry's anti-virus is whole and complete and no longer suffers virus confusion.

RvNoel says:
No, BLESS the appearances, full speed ahead!!

sherry says:
Thank you, it feels better already.

Host RevSusanne says:
OK, now for Noel's wonderful questions.

RvNoel says:
I didn't get last week's log . . .

Host RevSusanne says:
It's on my office computer noel, I will send it to you monday before I leave

RvNoel says:
Thank you.

RvNoel says:
And where are you going?

RvNoel says Nosey me

Host RevSusanne says:
So let's begin with distinguishing wilfullness from willingness.

Linda says:
I just got an email from Nan.  She was trying to log on through Prodigy Classic which won't work.  She doesn't have Prodigy Internet.

Host RevSusanne ties a bow around Noel's nose.

RvNoel says Now I can bow my knows

Host RevSusanne says:
lol

sherry says:
I think of willfulness as habit from unconscious thoughts, and willingness as being very much in consciousness.

Host RevSusanne says:
I am leaving go to INTA on Tuesday a.m.

RvNoel says:
Ah, I'm going Wednesday a.m.

RvNoel says:
Shall we skip a week of this chat?

Host RevSusanne says:
Or we could have the folks to a project in our absence.  A review of the course up to now.

RvNoel says:
What makes willigness more conscious than wilfulness, Sherry?

Host RevSusanne says:
Sherry could you say more about that?

Janelle has joined the conversation.

sherry says:
Willingingness  is a choice, the willfullness is the old habits.

RvNoel says:
Good distinction.

sherry says:
Janelle, I believe you visited the SOM classes last night, did you not?

Janelle has left the conversation.

sherry says:
Must have been her!!!

RvNoel says:
Janelle has been to some other chats also.

Host RevSusanne says:
Well she has found our site and is interested

sherry says:
She stayed for awhile last night.   Hope I did not scare her away.

sherry says:
She was in the UCRS Pilot class by Christina, last night.

Janelle has joined the conversation.

RvNoel says:
Hello, Janelle.

Host RevSusanne says:
Passes the sacred bungee cord to Janelle so she can stay hooked up!

Linda says:
Hello Janelle

Janelle says:
Hello!  I just got the "boot" and had to find my way back1

Janelle says:
That was quite strange.  Hello everybody!

RvNoel says:
Bootstrapped your way back in, eh?

Host RevSusanne says:
Janelle we are in the midst of a class.  If you would like to hang around and watch, please feel free.

RvNoel says:
Yes, please stay.

Host RevSusanne says:
Our text is the Philosophy of Jesus.

Janelle says:
thank you.  I don't mean to interrupt.

RvNoel says:
No problem.

Host RevSusanne says:
We are discussing Chapter 10, entitled Complete Acceptance

RvNoel says:
We're disucssing the difference between willingness and wilfullness at the moment.

Host RevSusanne says:
So what difference does knowing this distinction make in our lives?

RvNoel says:
So, Sherry, would you say that willfulness is a "holding on" while willingness is a "letting go"?

Linda says:
I would agree with that Noel.

sherry says:
Yes, "holding on" as in being a bit stubborn.  Letting go is certainly willingness.

Host RevSusanne says:
Willingness might be a surrender to the Divine?

sherry says:
That is good too, Susanne.  I waas thinking of letting go of blockages.

RvNoel says:
Might even include letting go og wilfullness . . .

RvNoel says:
og = of

Host RevSusanne says:
I think of this as a surrender of the ego, I of myself am DOING THIS, and recognizing that "I of myself do nothing"...

Host RevSusanne says:
so the ego gets retired for lack of work and Spirit moves through us and we don't have to struggle anymore.

sherry says:
I am willing to experience that in my life!!!!

RvNoel says:
Ah yes!! Willfulness does involve struggle.

Host RevSusanne sends the ego off golfing in Pebble Beach

sherry says:
Nice retirement for the ego!

RvNoel says:
So the ego gets tee'd offmin Pebble Beach.

Janelle says:
Wasn't going to say anything, but LOL@ RvNoel!

Host RevSusanne says:
Hey you gotta give the ego something good to do or it gets involved in things that are none of its business!

Host RevSusanne says:
Ego = edging God out

Linda says:
Would you say that willingness requires faith?

RvNoel says:
I like that, Susanne.

Host RevSusanne says:
Good question Linda

Host RevSusanne says:
Yes we have to believe that there is a power greater than we are and be willing to allow it to work through us

Janelle says:
I have no whisper command - sorry, no RvNoel.

Host RevSusanne says:
Jesus said "because I have done this you can also.  Jesus set the example for us to follow.  He knew that it was the Father that was acting through him.

GOT BUMPED HERE!!!

Host RevSusanne says:
Uh Oh! Welcome back!

Linda says:
How do we move from "holding on" to "letting go"?

RvNoel says:
I got bumped.

Linda says:
Well, hello there again, Noel.

RvNoel says:
I was bumped my an ICQ message.

Host RevSusanne says:
This is the slippery soap phenomena.

sherry says:
First of all, it requires being willing to be willing.  Usually, I do the first two stages of treatment and get into willingness that way.

sherry says:
A gay friend of mine once told me a story about slippery soap.

Host RevSusanne says:
Good response sherry.  The first 2 steps of treatment have everything that we need to get there.

Linda says:
Never thought about that, but that seems a good place to start Sherry.

Host RevSusanne says:
The thing about soap is that if you squeeze it too hard when its wet you can't hold on to it and it ends up on the shower floor.

sherry says:
Everything within me wants to go on with my soap story, but we will NOT go there.

Host RevSusanne says:
You cannot hold on to the things that you want, you have to release them for them to return to you.

sherry says:
Good analogy, Susanne.

Host RevSusanne says:
Holmes discusses this in the chapter.  "know the truth and the truth shall make you free."

Host RevSusanne says:
So how do you know the truth Linda?

Host RevSusanne says:
We get to the truth by surrendering our doubts.

Host RevSusanne says:
It might be useful to look and see where it is that we holdout form surrender to God.

Linda says:
I was looking at the statement "Arrive at the faith that I have arrived at and you will 'know the truth, and the truth shall ake you free'"  Those were the words of Jesus.

Linda says:
Prior to that statement was a whole list of "letting go's"

Linda says:
give and it will be given, love and you get love, enter into peace and you will become peaceful......

sherry says:
Ya know, I desire that surrender with all my heart...I am ready to look at my hold outs.  Any suggestions on doing this?

Host RevSusanne says:
Jesus knew that everything was provided for him.  He was not sitting around worrying about whether or not he could afford his life or whether or not things were going to turn out.

Linda says:
We get to the truth by letting go.....

Linda says:
I see places where I need to let go..

RvNoel says:
We all know what are holdouts are.  It's admitting them out loud to ourselves that's so difficult.

RvNoel says:
first "are" = our

Host RevSusanne says:
One place to look is the smarmy ways that we want someone else to be wrong so that we don't have to be responsible.  Its in how we use our Word.  In the beginning there was the Word and the Word was God.

Linda says:
True Susanne.

Host RevSusanne says:
We were given the power to speak into existence what we wish to create.  We generally use that power very cheaply and unconsciously.

RvNoel says:
And redundantly - creating the past over and opver.

Host RevSusanne says:
But Holmes taught how we could use that power consciously for good.

Host RevSusanne says:
Everything you know about treatment you can apply to conscious everyday life.  It does not have to be saved for some time when you can close your eyes and get ceremonial about it.

Host RevSusanne says:
This is eyes open wonderful "are you breathing" everyday powerful living.

RvNoel says:
Nan just e-mailed me:  Hi,  

My server is down - at least I can not get connected.  I will keep trying as I do not want to miss class.  So glad I still have Prodigy for my son.  Will someone save me the log, please?
Trying to maintain a peaceful mindset.......
Nan

sherry says:
I like the idea of everyday powerful living.

Host RevSusanne says:
Think about how you can use release to let go of stuff.  You don't have to think about some things at all.  Why give some of that stuff power anyway?                  I have a great bit of e-mail I would like to share with you.  I saved it in macros so I could do it quickly.

sherry says:
Good!  Share away.

Host RevSusanne says:
Its about birthdays.

Host RevSusanne says:
GOOD EVENING.  HERE'S A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:  BIRTHDAYS

Host RevSusanne says:
Do you realize that the only time in our lives when we like to get old is when we're kids? If you're less than 10 years old, you're so excited about aging that you think in fractions. How old are you?....

Host RevSusanne says:
"I'm four and a half". You're never 36 and a half...

Host RevSusanne says:
you're four and a half going on five!

Host RevSusanne says:
That's the key.

Host RevSusanne says:
You get into your teens, now they can't hold you

Host RevSusanne says:
back. You jump to the next number. How old are you?  "I'm gonna be 16."  You could be 12, but you're gonna be 16. and then the greatest day of your life happens....you become 21. Even the words sound like a ceremony....you BECOME 21...YES!!!  But then you turn 30....ooohhh what happened there?  Makes you sound like bad milk.

Host RevSusanne says:
He TURNED, we had to throw him out. There's no fun now.  What's wrong?? What changed?? You BECOME 21, you TURN 30, then you're PUSHING 40.....stay over there, it's all slipping away........

Host RevSusanne says:
So you BECOME 21, you TURN 30, you're PUSHING 40,

Host RevSusanne says:
you REACH 50, you MAKE IT to 60.....

Host RevSusanne says:
then you build up so much speed you HIT 70!

Host RevSusanne says:
After that, it's a day by day thing.

Host RevSusanne says:
After that, you HIT Wednesday....You get into your 80's, you HIT lunch. You TURN 4:30, my grandmother won't even buy green bananas....it's an investment you know and maybe a bad one. And it doesn't end there....into your 90's you start going backwards....I was JUST 92...Then a strange thing happens. If you make it over 100

Host RevSusanne says:
you become a little kid again.... "I'm 100 and a half!!!!"

Linda will be right back.

Host RevSusanne says:
I shared this for two reasons:  IT'S FUNNY, and it illustrates how we make up a lot of whooey about many things in life, not just age.  This is an example of good stuff to release.

Linda says:
Thanks for sharing that Susanne.

RvNoel says:
It also shows how resilient our mental equivalents are.

sherry says:
That is too good, Susanne.  Won't buy green bananas!!  LOL

Host RevSusanne says:
Hey we don't call bananas AGING we call them rotten when they are old

Host RevSusanne says:
Hey RevRuth's chat has begun!  Next week, you all could do a review together.  Does anyone need the logs?

Janelle has left the conversation.

sherry says:
I have NO logs, and yes we certainly could do that.

Host RevSusanne says:
I will e-mail them to you all.

sherry says:
Great.

Host RevSusanne says:
Not Noel, he has them

RvNoel says:
Yup, except for the one you're going to send from last week.

Host RevSusanne says:
He needs a bunch more stuff cluttering up his hard drive

Host RevSusanne says:
I will miss you all next week!

RvNoel says:
20,000 e-mails (conservative estimate) is enough

Linda says:
I will miss you too Susanne.

RvNoel says:
I will miss you all (except Susanne) also.

Host RevSusanne says:
Sherry, I will get the rest of the homework to you real early

sherry says:
Have a wonderful week at the conference, Noel and Susanne. We will want to hear all about it.

Host RevSusanne says:
Noel and I will hang out!

sherry says:
Great, Susanne, I appreciate that.

Linda says:
I will miss you too Noel.

RvNoel says:
We will have lots to tell by the time we've worked the conference.

Host RevSusanne says:
Noel is speaking and I will be assisting with a presentation there.

Host RevSusanne says:
It's gonna be wonderful!

sherry says:
The Big Guy is speaking is he?   Good for you, Noel!!!

Host RevSusanne says:
So is Angelo Pizelo sherry

RvNoel says:
Yes.  On the metaphysics of the Internet , as an incarnation of One-Mindedness.

Host RevSusanne says:
I am setting up an Emerson Institute information table

sherry says:
Wow, wish I was going to be there.  I have to wait til ANTN conference in November.

Host RevSusanne says:
Yeah and I will put you to work there girlie

RvNoel says:
I'm considering attending that ohe as well.

RvNoel says:
ohe=one

sherry says:
YES...good, Noel.

Host RevSusanne says:
I would love for Noel to come and help with the presentation at ANTN

RvNoel says:
You've got it!

sherry says:
That would be a bonus, Noel.

Host RevSusanne says:
Now for a big screen projector to do the chat stuff!

RvNoel says:
In the fullness of time . . .

Host RevSusanne says:
Dr. Bill just got a lap top that I will be able to use

RvNoel says:
I'm going to join Dr. Ruth now.

Host RevSusanne says:
Also, Rev. David got a really hot lap top and should be back in California in time to come

sherry says:
Bye everyone, Jack and I are headed for town for a Dairy Queen.

Host RevSusanne says:
We could do a really great simulation

Host RevSusanne says:
Bye Sherry

Host RevSusanne says:
See ya Friday

sherry says:
You bet!!

Host RevSusanne says:
I will send the e-mail in the morning Linda, Sherry

sherry says:
Thanks.