Host RevSusanne whispers to RevNoel:
Welcome to Open At  the Top, a Science of Mind chat room provided by onlinechurches.com for religiousscience.org.  Please feel free to join in or just to listen!

RevNoel says:
Hi there.

Host RevSusanne says:
Ho Noel.

Host RevSusanne says:
Just dashing off one more e-mail

RevNoel says:
I just got in from dashing all over the Bay Area

RevNoel says:
East Bay andMarin

Host RevSusanne says:
Hey, how are we going to teach this class when we are at INTA?  I think we should give them something to do without us.

RevNoel says:
We could empower one of them to take it.

Host RevSusanne says:
They could co-lead themselves!

RevNoel says:
Of course.

RevNoel says:
They'll have questions, as usual.

RevNoel says:
And we'll ask them to send us the log . . .

Host RevSusanne says:
We could give them REVIEW questions

Host RevSusanne says:
We will be almost done then, they could probably use a review

RevNoel says:
That's a good idea also.

Host RevSusanne says:
What a pair of conspirators we make!

RevNoel says:
You bet!!!

Nan has joined the conversation.

Host RevSusanne says:
I am going to run up and get a juice drink.  BRB

Host RevSusanne says:
Hi Nan

RevNoel says:
Did you hear about Holmes' book on the Bible in the light of RS?

Nan says:
Hi to both of ou!

RevNoel says:
Hi, Nan.

Host RevSusanne says:
No Noel, tell us.

RevNoel says:
Holmes wrote a book in 1929 called 'The Bible in the Light of Science of Mind."

Host RevSusanne says:
What happened to it?

RevNoel says:
Parts of it are in the middle of the textbook.

Sherry has joined the conversation.

RevNoel says:
It's out of print.

Host RevSusanne says:
Good evening Sherry!

Sherry says:
Howdy Everyone!!

RevNoel says:
I'm urging that it be on this year's reprint agenda.

RevNoel says:
Hi Sherry!

Nan says:
Hi Sherry.

Host RevSusanne says:
Is it still under copyright?

RevNoel says:
Yes, unfortunately.

Host RevSusanne says:
No problem.

Host RevSusanne says:
Is POJ in print?

RevNoel says:
No problem . . . and some nuisance.

RevNoel says:
POJ will be reprinted this year.

RevNoel says:
Mainly because we intend to use it online.

Host RevSusanne says:
I have a copy that I got from someone that is photocopy of an 8 1/2 by 11 format with numbered lines

RevNoel says:
Hmmm

Host RevSusanne says:
I think that's great and we ahve our friends here to thank for that

RevNoel says:
We certainly do.

Host RevSusanne says:
Hurrah for all of you!

Linda has joined the conversation.

Sherry says:
Bows taken all around.

RevNoel says:
Hi Linda!

Host RevSusanne says:
Good evening Linda

RevNoel says:
The gang's all here!

Sherry says:
Hi Linda!

Linda says:
Good Evening everyone!!!!!!

Host RevSusanne says:
Any news?

Nan says:
Hi Linda!

RevNoel says:
I will be leaving 10 minutes early tonight because I'm hosting Dr. Ruth's chat while she on vacation.

Linda says:
No news but I mentioned to Noel that I have a friend who just wants to "lurk".  She is so hungry.

RevNoel says:
We have good bread!

RevNoel says:
Panis angelicus

Linda says:
I told her I would have to ask everyone.

Host RevSusanne says:
OK with me

RevNoel says:
Fine by me.

Nan says:
Fine here, Linda

Sherry says:
No problem

RevNoel says:
Invite her in!

Linda says:
When she comes online I told her she would be invited.  Let me check ICQ.

Host RevSusanne says:
I believe that JimB might want to lurk too, but I don't see him around the server

Linda says:
She is on ICQ.  I am waiting for a response.

Host RevSusanne says:
He has been quite the wonderful participant of late!

Host RevSusanne says:
He never misses my chats

Sherry says:
Still a large challenge for me, however, Susanne.

RevNoel says:
As far as I'm concerned, she doesn't have to remain a lurker.  She may have some good questions for us.

Host RevSusanne says:
He is a gift in a bumpy package

Nan says:
He confuses me, but that is probably because of my newness.

Linda says:
She is rather timid at the thought of being here, Noel.  Of course, I will tell her she is welcome.

Sherry says:
A package of $50.00 words when $1.50 will do nicely.  Are we to be impressed or what?

Host RevSusanne says:
Nan it is because he is very intellectual, it is not shortcoming on your part

RevNoel says:
Whatever works fer her will work for us.

Nan says:
Agreed, Sherry!

RevNoel says:
JimB mentalizes more than most of us.

Host RevSusanne says:
Yes he does, but I love em none the less

Sherry says:
He has some nice gift to offer, from time to time.

RevNoel says:
He also inquires from a psychological base rather than a metaphysical one.

Host RevSusanne says:
I just jump into a treatment when it gets too psychological and it always clears the air

RevNoel says:
Atta Ernie's girl!!

Sherry says:
I know as a minister to be I need to learn to deal with all kinds of people,,,I just am not a minister yet.

Linda says:
<s> Sherry

RevNoel says:
I've been a minister for 12 years and I'm still learning that one . . .

Host RevSusanne says:
Sherry I think you are doing just fine!

Sherry says:
That is good to know, Noel, thanks Susanne and LInda

Linda says:
I will be sharing sometime about a family situation that I would all of you to do treatment for.

Host RevSusanne says:
Here is the trick Sherry, you do your wacky stuff in your head and then you dismiss it and choose a creative loving approach, like treatment.  Works and no one ever sees the hands inside the machine.

Host RevSusanne says:
OK Linda

Host RevSusanne says:
Remember the Wizard of Oz?

RevNoel says:
Yes.

RevNoel says:
He's still hobnobbing with his fellow wizards.

Sherry says:
Ye Gads, won't the wacky head stuff still go out into the Universal Mind?

Host RevSusanne says:
Stilll, every once in a while, Dorotjy comes by and draws the curtain.

Host RevSusanne says:
Not if you do not think it with intention.

Linda says:
Will someone here need to invite Ev when she logs on or can she just enter?

Host RevSusanne says:
She can just enter

Sherry says:
No intentional wacky thinking here!!

Linda says:
She has tried but getting an error message.

Host RevSusanne says:
Dumb ideas are only dumb ideas unless we choose to make them our own.

Host RevSusanne says:
Why not have her go to openatthetop and I will invite her

Host RevSusanne says:
Maybe she has an incorrect address

Sherry says:
Have to remember to put the # in before the class name.

Linda says:
ok if I can get her here

Linda says:
Is it 208.138.38.200?

Host RevSusanne says:
She is not on the server yet

Host RevSusanne says:
yes

Host RevSusanne says:
Well we should try to begin the lesson and welcome Ev when she gets here.

RevNoel says:
I agree.

Linda says:
She's in the #newbie room.  Going to oatt now

Host RevSusanne says:
Noel's preface this week was very well considered.

Host RevSusanne says:
I am not showing a #newbie room Linda

Host RevSusanne says:
The idea that there is a place that we come FROM, I think of it as the place I stand and everything I say and do emanates from there.

Linda says:
I appreciated what Noel wrote.

Host RevSusanne says:
What are your thoughts?

Nan says:
Yes, the way Noel described his "raising" was very much like my own.  Very well put.

Linda says:
Mine too.

Host RevSusanne says:
I have a very good metaphor/joke to describe this.

RevNoel says:
It's where I think FROM and not what I think ABOUT that makes the biggest difference.

Nan says:
let's hear it, Susanne.

Host RevSusanne says:
There was a guy who wanted to be an umpire.  So he went to ump school

Host RevSusanne says:
He wanted to know how everyone called the balls, strikes etc.

Host RevSusanne says:
The rookie Ump said "I call em as I sees em"

Ev has joined the conversation.

RevNoel says:
Welcome Ev

Nan says:
Hi Ev!

Host RevSusanne says:
The veteran ump said "I call them as they occcur"

Host RevSusanne says:
Welcome Ev!

Linda says:
Everyone please welcome Ev.

Sherry says:
Welcome to you, Ev.

RevNoel says:
Feel free of join in if you have a question.

Host RevSusanne says:
Welcome to you!  Welcome to you!  We're happy top see you, welcome to you!

RevNoel says:
free to join in

Host RevSusanne says:
I will begin my story over by cutting and pasting so Ev sees it.  Then it will be obvious what we can say about how it applies to the lesson.

Ev says:
Hi, all.  I tell you, it was a challenge getting here, but, its done. Don't mind me. I will just sit a while.

Host RevSusanne says:
There was a guy who wanted to be an umpire.  So he went to ump school

Ev says:
Hi, Linda:-)

Linda says:
Hello Ev :)

Host RevSusanne says:
The veteran ump said "I call them as they occcur"

Host RevSusanne says:
And the Old Timer Umpire saidm in a booming authoritative voice "They ain't nothing, until I call em!"

Host RevSusanne says:
Does this demonstrate where each of these umpires came FROM?

Sherry says:
Old Timer knew where the power came from, didn't he?

Linda says:
That's good Susanne.

Host RevSusanne says:
I think it also shows the natural progression of consciousness.

Host RevSusanne says:
The first ump was adjusting to the circumstances as we all learned when we were small.

Host RevSusanne says:
The circumstances were the determining factor.

Host RevSusanne says:
The second more experienced guy was watching more clearly, but still didn't know his own power

Host RevSusanne says:
So now lets march into the rest of RevNoel's questions

RevNoel says:
We only know our experience of what's so, and not what's so itself.

RevNoel says:
The full rationale for this perspectives is at www.celenet.org/msuwelcome.htm

Host RevSusanne says:
What is the most "user friendly" view FROM which to perceive my life's circumstances?

Linda says:
I'm going to type that again so it will automatically be added   http://www.celenet.org/msuwelcome.htm

Nan says:
Thank you, Linda

RevNoel whispers to RevSusanne:
The umpire story is one of my favorites, and you used it perfectly.

Host RevSusanne whispers to RevNoel:
I love teaching that way.  People remember how it works.

Linda says:
I'm going to let someone else start this.  I need help.

Host RevSusanne says:
Any takers on Noel's question?

Sherry says:
Our Divine Spirit is where our thoughts flow from.

RevNoel says:
Can you define the "help" required, Linda?

Linda says:
For some reason I got hung up on that question.

Nan says:
To realize that there is a spiritual Reality at my center, A divine Presence and Wisdom that can & will lead, guide and direct me when I let it.

Ev says:
Well folks, I don't know what this means, but a terrible storm has come up. The lights are blinking. If I leave quickly, that will be why.

Host RevSusanne says:
Got it Ev.           OK LInda.  I will see what I can do to help.

RevNoel says:
Perhaps this will help Linda:

Linda says:
Ok Ev.

Host RevSusanne says:
Go ahead NOel

RevNoel says:
If I say I'm prosperous while thinking about what I lack, I am coming FROM lack.

RevNoel says:
Guess what I experience?

Linda says:
Lack

RevNoel says:
Precisely.  That is why I tell my congregation that what they multiply when they give to the chjurch is the consciousness from which they give, not the amount given.

Host RevSusanne says:
However, if you stand in what you want, as if it is already done (and it is) then what will you experience?

Nan says:
what you want

Linda says:
you will experience what you want

Host RevSusanne says:
That is all a matter of choosing your perspective.

Linda says:
Like the Bible says thinking of things that aren't as if they are?

RevNoel says:
This is a bit tricky, because as long asI am standing in "want", wanting is what I experience.

Linda says:
I will certainly agree with that, Noel.

RevNoel says:
Yes, Linda.  That's what that verse refers to.

Sherry says:
Is desire a better word, or does that imply want?

Nan says:
As "Ask in faith, believing?

RevNoel says:
Desire means "from the father."

RevNoel says:
No want there.

Linda says:
absolutely

RevNoel says:
Yes, Nan, that's also how the Bible teaches this lesson.

Host RevSusanne says:
There is the thing I want and the want itself.  Stand in the thing, not the want,  as if it is done, after all it is the father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

Linda says:
Would this be similar to "prayer" versus "treatment"?

RevNoel says:
If the prayer is petitionary, it comes from the conscjousness of not having.

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RevNoel says:
If it is intercessory, it is from the consciousness of personal powerlessness.

Guest673 is now known as bobbie.

RevNoel says:
Hey Bobbie!

Nan says:
But further on it says "provided it is constructive"

Host RevSusanne says:
Is this Bobbie Gonder?

bobbie says:
Hi there!

Linda says:
Hello Bobbie!

bobbie says:
It truly is Susanne!

Nan says:
Hi Bobbie

bobbie says:
I do exist! LOL

bobbie says:
Hi Nan!

Host RevSusanne says:
Wow!

RevNoel says:
Yes, Nan, that's another tricky one.

bobbie says:
hehehehe!

Host RevSusanne says:
Ev, Bobbie is another host of chats.

Ev says:
Hi Bobbie, Hi Nan

bobbie says:
Ev - Nice to meet you! :)

Nan says:
So there we have a qualifier, yes?

RevNoel says:
Somewhat of  qualifier, yes.

Ev says:
same here, Bobbie

RevNoel says:
I take the proviso of "constructive" in light of the Bible verse that says

Host RevSusanne says:
This lesson is probably the most difficult one so far, in case anyone wondered.

RevNoel says:
What you intended for evil, God turned to God.

Host RevSusanne says:
That is really good Noel

Linda says:
I haven't just wondered it, Susanne <s>.

RevNoel says:
That's what Joseph said to his brothers.

RevNoel says:
The universe turns everything into constructive outcomes.

RevNoel says:
Buit only in the experience of constructive consciousness like that of Joseph.

Sherry says:
So my perception of a constructive outcome maybe different than someone else's perception...

Host RevSusanne says:
Otherwise we get all that other stuff we thought we didn't want...

Sherry says:
but it is still a constructive outcome in the eyes of God?

RevNoel says:
It is constructive in the conscioiusness of all those who always look for that which is consyructive.

Sherry says:
So it is in the perception of how we view it?

RevNoel says:
That's true Pollyannaism.

bobbie says:
In other words - it is to each individual what that individual is looking at with their perception?

Host RevSusanne says:
Noel, maybe I think of this a bit differently but I think, Yes.  It is simply not consciously chosen.  It is what shows up out of what everybody things, what Holmes called race consciousness.

RevNoel says:
The outlook always depends on the one who's looking out.

Host RevSusanne says:
And where they are looking from, I might add.

RevNoel says:
Yes.

bobbie says:
And yet it's so moving... and we are always changing withour ability to create... that our perception could change from minute to minute..

RevNoel says:
Most of us do a lot of looking from the perspective of the collective consciousness.

bobbie says:
oh

RevNoel says:
And religion is one of the bastions of collective consciousness.

RevNoel says:
Holmes taught us how to free ourselves from the collective consciousness.

Host RevSusanne says:
That is what does most of the thinking that gets done, simply because intention is missing and coming from that place within where we know that we are One and that this One is God.

Sherry says:
What was that, Noel?

Host RevSusanne says:
that what Sherry?

Sherry says:
I thought he had a short cut he was going to share with us.

RevNoel says:
Affirmative prayer - spiritual mind treatment - is a way to free ourselves of the collective run-of-the-mind-at-large.

RevNoel says:
Affirmative prayer IS the short cut.

Host RevSusanne says:
Linda needs to make a request for treatment I believe

RevNoel says:
It cuts short petitioning, etc.

Sherry says:
Love it, Noel.

Host RevSusanne says:
And your time is up for taking over for Rev Ruth Noel

RevNoel says:
Yes, and I must go to Dr. Ruth;s for

RevNoel says:
One mind . . .

Host RevSusanne says:
I will demonstrate what you were saying in the treatment for Linda

RevNoel says:
I'll see you in a bit . . .

RevNoel says:
when you gang up on me in OATT

Host RevSusanne says:
Bye Noel

Linda says:
Sure thing Noel.

Linda says:
LOL

bobbie says:
:)

Nan says:
Bye for now , NOel

Host RevSusanne says:
You want to go ahead Sherry?

bobbie says:
Linda - you had a treatment request?

Linda says:
Yes.

Sherry says:
Go ahead where?

Host RevSusanne says:
Sorry I meant Lidna

Host RevSusanne says:
LOL

bobbie says:
:)

Sherry says:
Not that I don't have about 200 of my own!!

Linda says:
My son, who isn't married, has a beautiful 16 month old son who is moving here with his mother.  My son is devastated because he won' t get to see the child often.

Linda says:
It's a mess!

Linda says:
There are arguments, selfishness, and the whole routine.

Linda says:
Very stressful for me

Linda says:
And not good for the chile.

Host RevSusanne says:
So how many miles of separation?

Linda says:
child

Linda says:
over 600

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Linda says:
I want peace for everyone involved

Host RevSusanne says:
Well Linda, one of the things that you learn as you go along becoming a practitioner is that people ask you to treat for that which you need.

Host RevSusanne says:
Guess how far my little grandson is from me?

Host RevSusanne says:
About the same.

Host RevSusanne says:
So let's treat!

Linda says:
ready

Host RevSusanne says:
There is only One Love in the Unverse.  This One Love is all there is or ever has been,  This Love encompasses us all and all whom we love or ever will Love.

Host RevSusanne says:
This One, this Love is God and this Loving God is being us right now.

Host RevSusanne says:
Since we are made of exactly the same stuff as God is made of we are Love, each and every one of us.

Host RevSusanne says:
There is no one and nothing that is left out of this Universal condition of Love.  It is what we are.  It is our Self and this One expresses through each and everyone of us perfectly.

Host RevSusanne says:
This One moves through us and provides the circumstances which challenges each of us to grow in our ability to Love.

Host RevSusanne says:
And this One is being Linda and each and every member of her family and the mother of her grandson.

Host RevSusanne says:
So each of these wonderful expressions of God are whole and complete and growing in their ability to express love where they are right now.  The miles between matter not, only the full expression of love matters.

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Host RevSusanne says:
Ways and means to express love arise without any barrier and each and every one in the family knows exactly what to do and when to do it.

Nan has joined the conversation.

Host RevSusanne says:
Opportunities arise to extend the expression of love and these opportunities are taken without question, each member of the family knows who and what they must be to support the experience of love that this beautiful child needs in his life.

Nan says:
Got bumped

Host RevSusanne says:
There is no withholding love and at any time and there is not economic barrier to its expression.  NOthing stands int he way of this child and this family knowing the fullness of lvoe.

Host RevSusanne says:
No circumstnace is great enough to interrupt this steady flow of love between the members of Linda's family and its expression in the wold.  In fact, the expression of lvoe is so remarkable that it is noticed by others, and expands as an opportunity into the lives of people unrelated to Linda and her family.

Host RevSusanne says:
Because there is no block to Love and its expression we recognize the perfect Law that hears this treatment and knows how to produce these results as well as results beyond our ken at this time.  Knowing in full gratitude that this id done, we release this treatment to God knowing tht it is so.  And so it is!

Nan says:
And so it is!

Sherry says:
Amen

Linda says:
And so it is!

Ev says:
And so it is.

Linda says:
Thank you Susanne.  Beautiful!  

Sherry says:
What a beautiful note to end on, thank you once again, Susanne.

Host RevSusanne says:
Thank you all for being here tonight.  It was a challenging lesson.  If you have any questions, please e-mail me and I will see what I can do!

Host RevSusanne says:
You could always use an opportunity to inspire the world Linda!

Linda says:
Ev, feel free to join us in #openatthetop

Ev says:
Thank you for having me folks.

Nan says:
Thak you, Susanne.  I may very well do that.

Host RevSusanne says:
You already do Nan

Nan says:
Glad you could join us, Ev.

Ev says:
Thank you, Linda.

Sherry says:
Nice to have you Ev.

Host RevSusanne says:
Nice to meet you Ev.

Ev says:
Thank you for having.

Ev says:
Good night.

Host RevSusanne says:
Sherry did you get your lesson?

Ev says:
having me.

Linda says:
An opportunity to inspire the world.....wow!

Sherry says:
Yes, pardon my forgetting to notify you.  Even have my questions done.

Host RevSusanne says:
Whatta gal!

Host RevSusanne says:
No problem, jsut wanted to make sure

Nan says:
What a great treatment!  I'll be anxious to hear the demonstration, Linda.

Host RevSusanne says:
And about the other questions & answers, that is not a rush, just something to complete my file.

Linda says:
You will, Nan <s>.

Sherry says:
They may come to you by mail, don't know how to make a file and e-mail yet, but intend to learn.

Host RevSusanne says:
Thanks for asking.  My grandson's mother is coming to visit tomorrow and I needed a clear heart too!

Host RevSusanne says:
I will tell you how another time Sherry.  Its EZ.

Sherry says:
Ohh good!

Host RevSusanne says:
No rush and no paper required.

Sherry says:
ok

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Host RevSusanne says:
OK I gotta go!  I wanted to invite Nan and Linda to the Tao of Service tomorrow if possible

Host RevSusanne says:
RevDavid will be visiting

Nan says:
What time?

Host RevSusanne says:
He will be in the class from England

Host RevSusanne says:
2:00 Pacific

Nan says:
That's a tough time for me but will try to be there.

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Host RevSusanne says:
He is leaving Calfornia on Friday so I wanted to make sure he could meet you all

Host RevSusanne says:
See ya if you can for a little bit anyway

Host RevSusanne says:
Thanks everyone.

Nan says:
I shall really try.  

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Linda says:
That will be noon my time

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