Host RevSusanne whispers to RevNoel:
Welcome to Open At  the Top, a Science of Mind chat room provided by onlinechurches.com for religiousscience.org.  Please feel free to join in or just to listen!

Linda says:
I certainly look forward to it, Susanne.  It's the highlight of my evening....actually, of my week.

RevNoel says:
Hi there!!

Linda says:
Hello Noel!

Host RevSusanne says:
Hey Noel!!

Nan59 says:
Hi Noel.

RevNoel says:
It's my highlite also.

Host RevSusanne says:
When Sherry gets here I want to tell them about our NEWS!

Sherry has joined the conversation.

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RevNoel says:
I also have some brand new news.

RevNoel says:
Nan is beside herself.

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Linda says:
News?  I love news.  I got news Saturday that I want to tell before we leave tonight.

Host RevSusanne says:
Maybe Jim will come back too!

RevNoel says:
We'll begin with the news.

Linda says:
Let's hear the news, Susanne.

Host RevSusanne says:
We can share for 15 minuties

Host RevSusanne says:
I want Nan to hear too!

RevNoel says:
What happened to Nan?

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RevNoel says:
Speak of the angel . . .

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RevNoel says:
Must be stormy in New York

Host RevSusanne says:
OK, Now for the News!

Linda says:
Wow!  Problems connecting.

Linda says:
News!!!!!

Nan has joined the conversation.

Host RevSusanne says:
Sends Nan some industrial strength velcro!

Nan says:
I'll get this straight yet!

Host RevSusanne says:
OK the News!

Host RevSusanne says:
I have been asked to go to the INTA convention to share about teaching online for Emerson Institute!

Host RevSusanne says:
Noel is also going to be at the same event and we will be able to work together!

RevNoel says:
Hot diggity!!

Host RevSusanne says:
Just like we do here!!!!

Nan says:
How wonderful!!!

Linda says:
Woooooowwww!!!!!!!

Sherry says:
That is an impressive honor, Susanne.  Congratulations...and speaking of such, are you going to be grandparents?

Host RevSusanne says:
Well girlfriends!  It is our relationship with all of you that makes this possible.

Sherry says:
Well, you just go girl!!!   We'll support you.

Linda says:
I'm so excited for you!!  For us!!

Host RevSusanne says:
My new title, with Emerson Theological Institute is Director of Online Teaching and Development!

Nan says:
For sure!

Host RevSusanne says:
If that were not enough, I have been asked to teach ALL of the ministers at our Fall conference how to teach online!

Linda says:
Impressive title, too.

Sherry says:
And well you should!!

Host RevSusanne says:
So that means we will have muchos new possibilities for classes before long.

Linda says:
Yes, you should.  And we, your class here, will support you all the way.

Host RevSusanne says:
Thanks!

Nan says:
Just think! Where all this is leading!!!

Host RevSusanne says:
There's more.

Linda says:
More?  

Linda hanging on to her seat with excitement.

RevNoel says:
I'm feeling morish

Host RevSusanne says:
Yes.  I have found some new students to add to our class when we complete POJ and begin the Home Study Course.

Linda says:
Ah, that is good news too.

Host RevSusanne says:
One is a professor from Malaysia who wants to be a minister

Host RevSusanne says:
Another is a young dad from North Carolina who wants to study to be a minister while he is home with his kids.

Host RevSusanne says:
Also, Jill and Bobbie have both expressed interest.

Sherry says:
Sounds like interesting additions.

Host RevSusanne says:
Very.  There is also an English fellow who will join us who I have studied with

Host RevSusanne says:
and

Host RevSusanne says:
another English person whom Angelo Pizelo mentioned to me in my last conversation with him!

Host RevSusanne says:
That will be enough.

Linda says:
Nice size class too.

RevNoel says:
There'll be dozens more by summer.

Nan says:
And all because the internet made this possible!!!!

RevNoel says:
I.e., several on-line study groups using the Home Study course.

Host RevSusanne says:
David Hayward, like Sherry, is an advanced student and will be studying how to teach and will assist with the class from Burnham On Sea, in Merry old England!

Host RevSusanne says:
He will be licensed as a ministerial intern very soon.

Host RevSusanne says:
Your turn Noel!

RevNoel says:
O.K.

Linda says:
This *is* exciting news.

RevNoel says:
Today I participated in the launching of a new online magazine.

Nan says:
Tell us!

Linda listening....

Host RevSusanne says:
Yes say more pleeeze!!!~

RevNoel says:
It will introduce SOM to a much larger audience, and introduce SOMers to a larger concept of the teaching- the social dimension of metaphysics.

Sherry says:
How do we subscribe?

Host RevSusanne says:
Can I write something for it Noel?

RevNoel says:
No subscription.  It will be free.  On the net.

Linda says:
Yes, how do we subscribe?

RevNoel says:
You will just go to it.

Nan says:
What is the address?

RevNoel says:
It will come out weekly, with all editions archived.

RevNoel says:
It doesn't have an address yet.

Sherry says:
How exciting!!

Host RevSusanne says:
When does it begin?

RevNoel says:
COrrection: the address isn't online yet.

RevNoel says:
Begins this summer.

Linda says:
Great news!!!!

RevNoel says:
Its focus will be on building community.

Host RevSusanne says:
So could we write an article together about our experience here?

RevNoel says:
Quite possibly.

RevNoel says:
I will be doing a regular column on Internet activity.

RevNoel says:
Called "Whats Growing On(line)?

Host RevSusanne says:
It would be a real community-building example, look where we all come from!  Different places and backgrounds galore!

RevNoel says:
Yes!!!

Linda says:
This is wonderful, Noel!

Host RevSusanne says:
Would you all like to do that?

RevNoel says:
We've been conceptualizing it for about 9 months . . .

Nan says:
Mind-boggling where this willlead.

Sherry says:
Being an old columnist, I could write about being a ministerial Inter-net trained Guinea Pig.

Linda says:
<s> Sherry

Host RevSusanne says:
LOL Sherry Pig

Host RevSusanne says:
At least we don't use hamster wheels

RevNoel says:
GP could also stand for General Practitioner

Sherry says:
thank goodness.  I used to have a column called A Splash Of Sherry

Host RevSusanne says:
Whatta name!

RevNoel says:
Were the prelimiary versions drafts of Sherry?

Host RevSusanne says:
Noel!  Your grip!

Sherry says:
Ahhh Geeze

Host RevSusanne says:
Linda has news too.  Let's give her a quick chance to share before we dive into the lesson!

RevNoel says:
I'm sorry . . . shoulda been draughts of Sherry

Sherry says:
Groan, hit it Linda!!

Host RevSusanne says:
Ahhh, now that I could go for!

Linda says:
I'm going to be a grandma for the third time.

Nan says:
How wonderful!

Host RevSusanne says:
So Linda beat me to the punch!

RevNoel says:
A charmer

Sherry says:
YEAH!!!!!!!!!

Host RevSusanne says:
Yahoo!!!!

Linda says:
AND, I want all of you to be treating for my daughter, Leah.

Host RevSusanne says:
Done

Nan says:
Will do.

Sherry says:
And Done some more.

Linda says:
Thanks, everyone.

RevNoel says:
I'm going to be third-time grandpa any day now . . . my daughter's second boy.

Linda says:
YES, Noel!

Host RevSusanne says:
Incidentally, I am not yet set to be one.  I musta been sensing your impending 3rd and hoping for mine!

Sherry says:
Wow, I hope this is catching.  Jack and I have 5 grandsons and would die to have a grandaugher.

Nan says:
We have one of each.

Linda says:
Well, just a room filled with grandparents here.

Nan says:
LOL

Sherry says:
Susanne, maybe we can co-create grandaughters to be born about the same time.

Linda says:
Two grandsons already.  This is my daughter's second child and she wants another boy; hubby wants a girl.

Host RevSusanne says:
I have one and he is the BEST, though I understand how each of you might feel...

Host RevSusanne says:
Then we could cyber nurse them Sherry

RevNoel says:
Co-creating grnand daughters might be a pantentable process . . .

RevNoel says:
patentable

Sherry says:
Oh yeah!

Host RevSusanne says:
OK.  THE LESSON

Linda says:
Get grandparents started.....

Host RevSusanne says:
Any burning insights from the lesson folks?

Sherry says:
Yes...

Sherry says:
This came on the heels of my sister, Janette just having a quintuple by-pass yesterday morming.

Sherry says:
My mom had one in January.  It mentions affairs of the heart in our lesson.  I totally realted to it.

Sherry says:
related

RevNoel says:
Both words work.

Linda says:
So did I, Sherry, but probably somewhat differently.

Sherry says:
Both my mom and sister have a lot of resentment and grudges they carry around.  Wish I could show this to them, but I fear it would inflame them.

Nan says:
Coming from a rather deeply entrenched medical backgound, it was quite thought-provoking and revealing. 

Sherry says:
How so, Nan?

Linda says:
Having experienced some changes in my own medical conditions lately, I found this even more enlightening.

Nan says:
Because physical causes were predominant.

Host RevSusanne says:
That is a big insight Sherry, both about the metaphysical equivalent and how to handle the information for them.

Sherry says:
I just see the Truth about them...I have seen my sis in pure perfection for many hours now.

Host RevSusanne says:
Yes.

Sherry says:
Aren't we grateful to know how to "really" handle alla this physical stuff?

Host RevSusanne says:
How do you feel about that insight Nan?

Host RevSusanne says:
I am Sherry.

Linda says:
Yes, I'm grateful, Sherry.

Nan says:
Yes, I can intellectualize it, now I have to begin applying it more intensely.

RevNoel says:
It's less a matter of intensity than consistency.

Linda says:
I'm finding that out, Noel....consistency.

Host RevSusanne says:
Nan I suggest a lighter touch, and just putting one foot in front of the other, so to speak.

Nan says:
agreed.

Sherry says:
Getting that connection with the concept of the Oneness of God and I has helped me a lot.

Host RevSusanne says:
Often when I am visualizing something I wish to change, I actually visualize a transformation that requires silliness and fun to be produced.

RevNoel says:
In other words, she sometimes loses her grip also.

Sherry says:
Do you put a clown nose on your perfect body?

Host RevSusanne says:
Someone sent me a quotation today that said being too serious is sign of being a bit shallow

Host RevSusanne says:
I prefer to think of splashing that shallowness!

RevNoel says:
Let a spray.

Host RevSusanne says:
And a red rubber nose would be just fine attached to a perfect healthy body!

Linda says:
I think I am beginning to actually believe the things I am visualizing.  I've seen some remarkable things lately.

Sherry says:
I'm curious, Linda...care to share?

Host RevSusanne says:
When you see the connection between your desire and  your belief , anything is possible!

Host RevSusanne says:
Yes do Linda@!

Linda says:
Well, even prior to this lesson I have been visualizing myself  "whole".  At first, I admit it didn't make sense and I had a real problem "seeing' it.

Linda says:
However, my blood sugar has been consistent for a week now and I am losing weight consistently....two things I have had problem with.

Host RevSusanne says:
Wonderful.

RevNoel says:
Terrific!

Sherry says:
That is great.

Nan says:
Great!

Host RevSusanne says:
Here is a wonderful quotation...

Host RevSusanne says:
"I saw the angel in the stone, and carved to set it free."  Michelangelo

Nan says:
That is beautiful.

Linda says:
I'd heard it before but don't think it ever really made sense until now.

Sherry says:
Yes, the beautiful God is within everyone of us, even if we have to look for it...

RevNoel says:
My body remembers its perfect pattern when I remember that the pattern was never lost.

Host RevSusanne says:
It is exactly what Holmes is teaching...isn't that amazing?  Holmes always said that this was not a new teaching, just a new presentation.

Sherry says:
Having encountered a difficult person, yesterday, I had the thought come to mind that she is really God disguised as a butt-head.

Linda says:
<LOL>

RevNoel says:
God has some peculiar disguises . . .

Nan says:
Hahahahaha

Host RevSusanne says:
Well better butthead than Beavis

RevNoel says:
Or from an earthly perspective . . .

RevNoel says:
Isn't it amazing what dirt turns into?

Sherry says:
Isn't it though?

Linda says:
It was good for me to read again in this lesson Holmes' statement that I chose to use as a signature for email.....

Host RevSusanne says:
Sounds like what we used to say to a friend about her wiry hair , its just a wonder what can be done with an SOS.

Linda says:
"There is one Life, that Life is God, that Life if my  life now."

Host RevSusanne says:
I love that you use that Linda.  I read it everytime

Host RevSusanne says:
Let's try the questions...

Linda says:
At first, it just sounded good.  Now, it's more than that....it is becoming truth to me.

Nan says:
Yes, that stood out to me, too.   And it is so true for all of us.

RevNoel says:
Consistency follows persistency.

Linda says:
Yes, Noel, thanks.

Host RevSusanne says:
Are there any questions raised by Holmes' views of healing that remain unanswered in the material given?

Sherry says:
Yes...

Sherry says:
On page 4, last paragraph, Holmels says "There is no particular formula within us, always truing to sense Its presence and Its action through us...ect.  ...

Sherry says:
Do we not fit within the formula of a Treatment?

RevNoel says:
I view treatment as  a form, not a formula.

Host RevSusanne says:
I have an analogy Sherry.

Host RevSusanne says:
It is that of a recipe.  When we first learn to cook we have to follow the recipe to the letter to get a result

Host RevSusanne says:
After a while we follow the form and understand the ingredients that we are using and we adjust them to the circumstances

RevNoel says:
I use another analogy.

Host RevSusanne says:
So we know that when the vegetables are not as fresh they might need a bit more moisture from another source,

Sherry says:
Like Jesus did instinctively?

RevNoel says:
Treatment is a like a boat on the sea of consciousness leading to the shore of realization.

Host RevSusanne says:
But the recipe doesn't tell us that its our practice of cooking that let us understand the process of cooking.

RevNoel says:
Once we arrive at realization, we no longer require the boat.

Linda says:
Both good analogies....

Host RevSusanne says:
Noel that is built on an old Buddhist analogy about thinking and meditation.

RevNoel says:
I figured it had a good source.

RevNoel says:
In fact, I heard it from a Buddhist.

Host RevSusanne says:
I knew that if we were all grandparents we had cooked enough to get my analogy.

Host RevSusanne says:
Not one for a neophyte cook

Linda says:
<s> Susanne

Host RevSusanne says:
I OWN my kitchen and everything in it the same way i own Treatment.

Host RevSusanne says:
Any questions folks?

Host RevSusanne says:
Then let's discuss the implications of Holmes' teachings for conventional viewpoints.

Sherry says:
I must be dense, but I do not get this question!!!

Sherry says:
Could it be reworded?

Host RevSusanne says:
Conventional viewpoints with regard to healing Sherry?  How does this differ and what does that mean?

Nan says:
Meaning viewpoints based on medical healing, miraculous healings, etc?

Host RevSusanne says:
That will do fine Nan.

Sherry says:
Meaning that Spiritual healing is something that medicine, as such, does not pretend to touch.

Host RevSusanne says:
There is conventional wisdom about what it takes to heal.  For instance, how long do you have to take antibiotics to cure an infection?

Host RevSusanne says:
What we are doing has little, if anything, to do with that.  It has a whole different premise.

Nan says:
One hospital I worked in had as it's motto, a triangle with Body, Mind and Spirit at each point.

Host RevSusanne says:
Yes, and what was the practice there?

Nan says:
Prayer was stressed.

Host RevSusanne says:
Did you see the affect of the prayers?

RevNoel says:
Conventional viewpoints consider healing impossible without  externa remedies.

Nan says:
Yes, and as well as on my unit in geriatrics.

Host RevSusanne says:
So the approach where you worked was both alliopathic and spiritual Nan?

Sherry says:
We in the West have really lost the Spiritual influence haven't we?

Nan says:
I'm not sure of the meaning of the word "alliopathic".

Host RevSusanne says:
No Shery.  We haven't lost it.  Thoughts are things, remember?Holmes sayd that all of our thinking is based on our deep convictions about life.

Sherry says:
It has the appearance of being lost in the AMA, I should have said.

Host RevSusanne says:
I think it is actually allopathic, but it means what Noel said, it deals with external remedies.

Host RevSusanne says:
My deep conviction is that we are fast waking up to the power of affirmative thought and that it transforms our health daily!

Nan says:
Yes, both are necessary but the spiritual is the far greater necessity!

RevNoel says:
Allopathic = material intervention

Sherry says:
Yeah, gimme those drugs!!

Nan says:
Not necessarily drugs, Sherry.

Sherry says:
Sorry, the '60s are coming out in me.

Linda says:
I think we are waking up, Susanne.  

Nan says:
'S, okay.

Host RevSusanne says:
Here is my thing:  I believe that we have to deal with life where we are.  If we need a drug to heal then we should take it being mindful to heal our thinking at the same time.

RevNoel says:
Allopathic interventions are "necessary" only to those who "know" they are.

Linda says:
I agree with that Susanne.

RevNoel says:
Thank good ness we havfe them for those who know they require them.

Sherry says:
Amen to that, susanne.

Nan says:
As do I, Susanne.

Linda says:
It's our minds that need healing.

RevNoel says:
The only thing that requires healing is the perception that healing is required.

Sherry says:
That's right, isn't It?  If we see ourselves or others as the perfection they are, no healing is required at all.

Host RevSusanne says:
Avoiding medical treatment to be "right" about how we practice Religious Science is one of the pitfalls we often see...and I think that Noel's last statement is absolutely the bottom line on the issue.

RevNoel says:
Before we "gang" up on Ruth I have an observation.

RevNoel says:
From a metaphysical perspective, there are no healers, only facilitators of healing

Host RevSusanne says:
Go ahead

Host RevSusanne says:
I agree Noel

Sherry says:
Good, Noel.

Nan says:
Yes.

Linda says:
Agreed, Noel

Host RevSusanne says:
One last comment.

RevNoel says:
And as Holmes remarked in his last sentecne this week, when enough of us get that a new race of human being will walk the planet.

Host RevSusanne says:
If we make ourselves fully available to the movement of Spirit, then we are using the Law and allowing Love to course through us and we know that we are perfect and whole.

Host RevSusanne says:
And that is all that there is.  All that we are.  And so it is.

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Linda says:
And so it is.

Nan says:
And so it is.

RevNoel says:
Hallelujah!!!

Sherry says:
Susanne,  I need a side-bar with you before you leave.

Host RevSusanne says:
I love you all!

Host RevSusanne says:
OK Sherry.

Linda says:
Love to all here.

RevNoel says:
See you at Ruth's.

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Nan says:
Now on to Ruth.

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