Host RevSusanne says:
I was really touched by what Holmes said about faith and communion--how you can't have one without the other

Sherry says:
Are you continuing or waiting for a comment?

Host RevSusanne says:
Sorry the end punctuation didn't show up.  Open to comments.

Sherry says:
His relating it to an artist communing with the beauty before he can paint was excellent.

Host RevSusanne says:
What about praying rightly?  What did that mean to you Nan?  Was that similar or different for you?

Host RevSusanne places a large can of Typo-Be-Gone in the midst of Cyber Space for all to use.

Sherry says:
Thank you!

Nan says:
Just figured out where you were.. We hadn't covered ch 2 yet as far as I know.  Just went to ch.3

Sherry says:
What about the statement that unless our prayers are for good, they won't be answered?  that is contrary to the Law, is it not?

Host RevSusanne says:
I believe that Holmes is defining what praying right is.  He is not denying the law but suggesting what Jesus taught about how to use it.

Nan says:
It was contrary to my beliefs but I'm not well versed on RS thoughts yet.

Nan says:
Not contrary

Host RevSusanne says:
Your thoughts Noel?

Sherry says:
Susanne, I don't want to press the point, but it reads like this...

Sherry says:
Jesus said that unless our prayers are amiss, that is, unless they are...

RevNoel says:
I would tend to say that unless our prayers are for good, the outcome according to law will not be one that satisfies us.

Host RevSusanne says:
Yes.

Sherry says:
contrary to good, they will be answered.

Nan says:
but not to our satisfaction, then?

RevNoel says:
The law will deliver in accordance with the prayer - and we will not likely consider the outcome "good."

Sherry says:
Yes, thank you.

Host RevSusanne says:
Exactly

Host RevSusanne says:
It works, it works and it works according to how we use it.  So if we use it poorly we get poor results.  Jesus said that the poor are always among us.  This would be what he was pointing to.

Sherry says:
I was sure it was, but it jumped right out at me...thanks for your input.

Nan says:
I never thought of his reference to "poor" in that manner.

Host RevSusanne says:
poor in spirit

RevNoel says:
When Jesus said the poor are always with you, he may have been referring to the you who were present, not all you's at all times.

Host RevSusanne says:
Taht may be, but I think that it has something to do with the varying levels of fulfillment we experience in our spiritual evolution too.

Host RevSusanne says:
Can you remember being the poor?  I can.  I was small minded, selfish and sure that life was hard and then you die.  Fortunately I did not stay there.

Sherry says:
My poor was more in my abundance thinking...other than that, I have been pretty optimistic that life is good.

Host RevSusanne says:
Using The Law of Mind is what brought me away from that.  A few really wonderful results encouraged me and I went one step after another into my good.

Sherry says:
A good solid demonstration that the Law works, it certainly good encouragement.

Nan says:
Sherry, I will agree there.  I was thinking in terms of abundance also.

Sherry says:
Nan, it is a big one.

Host RevSusanne says:
Dr. Bill laughs sometimes about people who treat for abundance and then get an abundance of bills.  I believe in an abundance of life's good.  I don't care about the bills!

Nan says:
Yes, I don't pray for patience, either!

Host RevSusanne says:
LOL Nan

Host RevSusanne says:
That will give you a REASON to be patient!

Nan says:
For sure!

RevNoel says:
A member of our SOM1 class treated for abundance and received a bag full of second hand underwear.  Her question the following week: should I have been more specific?

Host RevSusanne says:
LOL

Sherry says:
Well, except the bills that we pay are good for others who are expecting the abundance.

Host RevSusanne says:
LOLROF

Host RevSusanne says:
I don't mind the bills, I just don't care about them...

RevNoel says:
I sign every check, "Blessings"

Sherry says:
Great idea.

Host RevSusanne says:
That's wonderful.  I have checks that have the Statute of Liberty on them.  I give them up freely.

RevNoel says:
And instead of the OO in the .23/00 space I put .23/GOD

Host RevSusanne says:
WOW\

RevNoel says:
God gets onto each check twice that way.

RevNoel says:
I also dot the circles in my name, because a circle with a dot is the oldest known symbol for God

RevNoel says:
Which give God five places on my check.  And I always do each of these consciously.

RevNoel says:
It has been a long time since I had a bad feeling about writing a check.

Host RevSusanne says:
That's great!!!!     So I am wondering if we can have some testimony about how using treatment transforms life.

Sherry says:
You start.

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Host RevSusanne says:
One of the things that really makes a difference is persistent affirmation of our good.

Host RevSusanne says:
Hey Linda!

RevNoel says:
Hi Linda!

Sherry says:
Hi Linda.

Linda says:
Good evening everyone.  My apologies again, hopefully for the last time.

Host RevSusanne says:
I am happy that you were able to make it!

Nan says:
Ya made it!

Host RevSusanne says:
We have been beginning to discuss how treatment transforms life.

Linda says:
It certainly is transforming mine. 

Host RevSusanne says:
A few years ago my husband was fired from his job because of a slow down in building in our county.  This was the 3rd time in 5 years, which is a lot for a professional architect.

Host RevSusanne says:
I sent him to see Dr, Bill Little right away because he was so upset.

Host RevSusanne says:
He asked him to look for what he wanted.

Host RevSusanne says:
And we started doing treatment for that.

Host RevSusanne says:
Now he works with people as a consultant and no one can fire him.  He gets to say exactly what work he wants to do.

Host RevSusanne says:
And he has so much work that he may have to hire someone soon.

Host RevSusanne says:
His income has grown four times what it was before he lost that job!

Host RevSusanne says:
He is very well respected for the quality of his work.

Linda says:
That is encouraging to hear.

Sherry says:
What a great demonstration!!

Host RevSusanne says:
He is a better husband too because he is happy.

Host RevSusanne says:
Sherry, do you have something you could share?

Sherry says:
Yes.  I have manifested exactly the type of locale I wanted to retire to...

Sherry says:
Also I had treated for just the kind of husband I married three years ago, and my treatments for abundance were manifested with him.  So I am a big believer in treatment!

Host RevSusanne says:
As a new minister I am pretty amazed at what transforms in people, what level of healing is possible.  It is just the bee’s knees, IMHO to get to do this so much!

Nan says:
Regarding healing...

Nan says:
I have treated for my eyes and received the ability to read and comprehend for long times and am VERY thankful 

Nan says:
as this had not been possible for many years.

Sherry says:
Wow!

Host RevSusanne says:
Rev. Judy Powell says "Oh How Ordinary!" about this kind of healing because it is always possible.  I think if its ordinary, then miracles are ordinary and that is the way I love life to be.

Nan says:
Now.  I am having a problem treating for more because of my medical knowledge.

Host RevSusanne says:
Hey, whatever you know, remember that what we can know is limited and what God knows is infinite.  Tap into the infinite!

Linda says:
Nan, you treated for my son on Monday and so did I.  He called yesterday with a changed attitude and to let us know he is okay and not to worry.

Nan says:
Wonderful!

Host RevSusanne says:
Yahoo!

RevNoel says:
It's the things we know that aren't so that really cause us trouble. . . and a lot of medical knowledge ain’t NECESSARILY SO!

Host RevSusanne says:
I like hearing that a whole bunch!

Host RevSusanne says:
Isn't that a song Noel "It ain't necesarily so...."

Nan says:
It's been my livelihood until disability, Noel.  Hard to divorce myself from it!

RevNoel says:
I sing it every time the appearances would have me believe otherwise . . .

RevNoel says:
and add, Bless the appearances, full speed ahead!

RevNoel says:
I know what you mean, Nan.

RevNoel says:
My son is a doctor, and I've had very little influence on his thinking.

Sherry says:
This is a challenge...

Host RevSusanne says:
Nan, you have been able to bless yourself with treatment.  Treatment works in the present and can heal things from the past too.  We know what we need to know at the right time and in the right way.

Nan says:
An example, I have a problem with treating for a symptom that is currently happening.  I can't deny it because it is there.  I have tried.  With no success.

RevNoel says:
Do not deny its presence.  Deny that it has power over you.

Linda says:
Chapter 3 has helped me understand better about treating for others.

Linda says:
I understand that Nan.

RevNoel says:
I experience all kinds of symptoms that would make my life miserable if I gave them power.

Linda says:
So, what do you do, Noel?

Host RevSusanne says:
It is your MIND that you treat. Clear up your thinking, your resistance, your willingness to have a miraculous healing and then COMPLETELY release it.  This is the only thing that works.

Host RevSusanne says:
I have kept myself from dying this way more than once.

RevNoel says:
I acknowledge the experience, without resisting or indulging it.

Host RevSusanne says:
Yes Noel

Host RevSusanne says:
Wanna do a quick one Nan?

RevNoel says:
I do not perceive myself being sick.  I HAVE symptoms.  I am NOT the symptoms, however.

Nan says:
What about things from the past that were put into the subjective mind and then come out as dis-ease?

Host RevSusanne says:
Release them

Nan says:
But are not recognised consciously?

Host RevSusanne says:
Sometimes it takes a while for us to completely release something.  I just keep doing it whenever I notice that something is off.  I do not have to know what it is exactly.  I release all subsconscious misconceptions about my well-being.

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RevNoel says:
I suggest that Suzanne do an appropriate closing treatment and we visit Dr. Ruth.

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Host RevSusanne says:
This treatment is for our beloved Nan.

Linda2 is now known as linda.

Host RevSusanne says:
There is only one power and presence in the Universe and that One is perfect Love.